1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,840 All right, we will uh reconvene to open 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,280 session. Um Evelyn, can you uh start us 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,320 off with a roll call? 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,880 >> Trusty Lee 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,920 >> here. 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,480 >> Trustee King is absent. Trusty Marquez 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,840 >> here. 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,480 >> Vice President Weekly 9 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,279 >> present. 10 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,840 >> President Wells 11 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:23,199 >> here. Uh for 4.2, I'm going to report 12 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,560 out on our closed session from this 13 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:26,880 evening. In compliance with the Brown 14 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Act, the board of trustees reports that 15 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 the during the closed session, the board 16 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,760 took action to initiate legal 17 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,840 proceedings related to a due process 18 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,239 matter uh under the individuals with 19 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,160 disabilities act. The board by a vote of 20 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:40,239 four eyes has directed legal counsel to 21 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:41,920 proceed with a filing with filing a due 22 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:43,680 process complaint with the office of 23 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,440 administrative hearings against the 24 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,600 parent guardians of a student within the 25 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,200 district. Due to confidentiality laws 26 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,960 governing student records and special 27 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,800 education matters, no further details 28 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,000 regarding this action may be disclosed 29 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,239 at this time. Good evening and welcome 30 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,199 to the November 19th, 2025 meeting of 31 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:02,199 the Redwood City School Board. 32 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:16,439 deic. 33 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,840 All right, thank you all for joining us. 34 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,200 Um, the board encourages all members of 35 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,960 the public to participate in the meeting 36 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,560 and provide comments on issues of 37 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:30,720 concern regardless of whether they're on 38 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,079 the agenda. If you're here in person and 39 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 wish to speak, you'll find speakers 40 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,520 cards uh available at the entrance to 41 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,520 the room. Just complete one and hand it 42 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,439 to Evelyn. Uh if you're on Zoom, please 43 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,960 complete a speaker's card online. Uh 44 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:42,400 there's a link in the agenda or just 45 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:44,000 raise your Zoom hand when the item comes 46 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,360 up. And if you're addressing a subject 47 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,560 listed on the agenda, you'll be called 48 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,159 at the time that item is being 49 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,759 considered. And if the issue is not on 50 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:52,240 the agenda, uh you'll be called shortly 51 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:53,920 during oral communications. And then to 52 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,600 be fair to all speakers, we limit public 53 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,840 comment to three minutes per person per 54 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,000 topic unless otherwise noted. And with 55 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,240 that, we're on to the agenda. Um there 56 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,399 are changes for the agenda. I have two. 57 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,719 Uh, one is to pull the consent agenda 58 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:09,759 item 11.14, which is the second reading 59 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:12,319 of the board bylaw 9250, and also to 60 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:13,760 pull from action items 12.1, which is 61 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:16,640 the approval of the retirement 62 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:20,560 notification incentive. Um, does anyone 63 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:22,959 have any other changes to the agenda? 64 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,239 All right, then. Can I get a motion to 65 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:24,879 approve the agenda with those two 66 00:02:24,239 --> 00:02:26,640 changes? 67 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,520 >> I move we approve the agenda with those 68 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,000 two changes. 69 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,480 >> Second. 70 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,280 >> Second. 71 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,879 >> All in favor? 72 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,239 >> I. Great. 73 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:39,440 >> Okay. public comment. Um I see none and 74 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:41,120 none on Zoom and Evelyn none in person. 75 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,920 All right, then we will move on from 76 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,440 public comment. Uh and we'll go right 77 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,400 into our school and community reports 78 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,080 and we're going to start off with 79 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,840 information on art artificial 80 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,760 intelligence tools supporting teaching 81 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,239 and learning. 82 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,440 >> So good evening. Today we have our staff 83 00:02:54,239 --> 00:03:00,000 development uh coaches toas are Kathy 84 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,879 James and Brana Whit will be presenting 85 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,680 on AI and where we are at at this point 86 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:06,680 in time with the district. 87 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,800 >> All right, 88 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,519 turn on the mic. Yeah, the little 89 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,080 person. 90 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:15,280 >> Yeah, 91 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,120 >> there you go. 92 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,560 >> I even asked Carlos and then I didn't do 93 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,280 it. 94 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,800 >> Good evening. 95 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,080 So, I'm Kathy 96 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,480 >> and I'm Ba 97 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,120 >> and uh we were asked to be here tonight 98 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,159 to give you a little bit of background 99 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,640 information on where we are with AI in 100 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,920 our district. Um what we've been 101 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:41,159 learning and where we kind of um need to 102 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,159 go next. 103 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,760 >> One more. 104 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,640 >> There's our lovely avatars created by 105 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,560 AI. 106 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,480 >> All right. 107 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Um I'm going to start with giving just a 108 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,599 brief overview of kind of the what's 109 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,599 been happening the last couple years 110 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:03,920 where we are with AI. Um 111 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:07,599 really AI came came onto the picture for 112 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:10,959 education in the school year of 2020 113 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:11,760 2022 to 2023 114 00:04:10,959 --> 00:04:16,079 to say 115 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:20,479 >> and um that's when we first started to 116 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:24,160 um experiment with chat GPT and uh what 117 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:26,000 was then Googlebard and um eventually 118 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,680 magic school was another tool that came 119 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,800 on uh the scene and we began to do 120 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,479 initial research and reading about the 121 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,600 tools, exploring with them. Some 122 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:40,880 teachers explored them and we held a 123 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:44,320 couple of optional PDs for teachers uh 124 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,680 to talk about what generative AI was and 125 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,880 a little bit about prompting and um we 126 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:54,639 had kind of our early um adopters who 127 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,479 went out and tried uh tried things and 128 00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:01,440 to see what it would be like with their 129 00:04:56,479 --> 00:05:03,840 teaching. And then in 23 to 24 uh we 130 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,520 started to see some of the products that 131 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:09,039 we pay for as a district begin to imp to 132 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,320 incorporate 133 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:16,960 pieces of AI into their products. And so 134 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:19,840 we started to see um how those u were 135 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,400 appearing for our students uh and to get 136 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:24,800 an understanding of that. Um Bronnie and 137 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,800 I also attended the Q conference which 138 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,240 is the big ed tech conference for the 139 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,160 state and it was all about AI at that 140 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,000 point. Um so we learned quite a bit 141 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,560 about some of the ethical questions we 142 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,479 should be considering some of the things 143 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,080 that the tools could do some ideas for 144 00:05:38,479 --> 00:05:43,360 how they could be used in the classroom 145 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,600 and for as teacher um efficiency tools. 146 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:51,440 And so we brought that information back 147 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:55,440 with us in 24 uh to 25. Um the tools 148 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:57,600 began to just rapidly expand. There are 149 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:01,360 a number of things out on the market, a 150 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,960 lot of churn. we kind of have um 151 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,280 knowledge from our history and working 152 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,520 with edtech to know that uh adopting 153 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:13,600 some things, paying for those things too 154 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,360 early can backfire on you because some 155 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,120 of those tools will get gobbled up by 156 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,280 other tools. Some of them will go away, 157 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,440 some of them will rise to the top. And 158 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:24,000 so we've taken kind of a like wait and 159 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,680 see approach and like been watching 160 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,759 what's been happening, experimenting 161 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,840 with the different tools, allowing 162 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:32,319 teachers to experiment with some of them 163 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:35,680 if they are appropriate for class use, 164 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:38,560 but not advocating for a full-on 165 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,720 adoption at this point. And then we 166 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,680 attended a series of workshops that the 167 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:47,039 county gave uh for districts in the 168 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,840 county to be thinking about AI and 169 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:53,759 particularly about AI policy and 170 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:56,319 guidance uh for staff and students. 171 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:58,639 And then this year we have done some 172 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:01,360 presentations for our administrators, 173 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:03,360 done some incorporated some AI tools and 174 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:08,240 some of our PDs that we've offered to 175 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:10,960 staff and continued to work on um 176 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:16,240 guidelines for staff and and students. 177 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:18,479 Uh but also to um consult with your uh 178 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,599 board policy committee in terms of 179 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:23,680 putting forth a draft for policy that's 180 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:28,000 coming soon. 181 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:30,720 And then just uh the next step for us is 182 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,720 that uh just yesterday Ra and I found 183 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,919 out that we were accepted and we applied 184 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,319 and were accepted to a cohort uh that's 185 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:43,199 a statewide co cohort sponsored by the 186 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:45,520 CDE Foundation uh to to study AI in 187 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:48,160 education with districts throughout the 188 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,880 state. So we'll be attending uh those 189 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,880 meetings as well. 190 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,960 So where we are in our journey right 191 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,599 now, our next step, we as Kathy just 192 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,879 mentioned, we created some preliminary 193 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:07,120 guid guidance that we will be expanding 194 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:09,280 on. Um, one of the things that we talked 195 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,360 about when we went to the county last 196 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,680 year was that this is the point where we 197 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,879 want to really work on a district-wide 198 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,800 policy and that will be sort of the next 199 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:22,720 foundation before we can move forward 200 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:26,400 with uh rounding out guidance um and and 201 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:29,280 really working with teachers on PD. Um, 202 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,120 so we're here to talk a little bit about 203 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,320 what that policy might look like and 204 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:38,800 what our next steps would be after that 205 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:43,200 gets passed. Um, so one of the things we 206 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:46,000 really want to talk about is the idea of 207 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,519 um, in education 208 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:52,000 we want our policies and to be about our 209 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:55,279 mission and our values and our vision 210 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,480 and not about the tool. So if we look at 211 00:08:55,279 --> 00:09:01,040 our district mission, vision and values, 212 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,959 next slide, 213 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,200 and even just look at solely the mission 214 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:09,360 of creating a safe and supportive, 215 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,360 inspirational and rigorous, joyful and 216 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,240 inclusive environment for all learners. 217 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,640 When we take that and talk about AI, 218 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,720 educational AI use in our district, that 219 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,240 brings up a lot of questions. When we 220 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,320 talk about a safe and supportive 221 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,480 environment, how do we really make sure 222 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,959 that we're encountering it in a way that 223 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,600 is safe? How do we make sure that we are 224 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:34,640 supporting everyone? How do we make sure 225 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:36,880 that we in um enhance rigor 226 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:41,279 and not make it so that it's doing the 227 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:43,440 work for people? Um we really need to 228 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:47,839 keep all of our mission and vision and 229 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:50,480 values in mind as we move forward. Um, 230 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:51,760 we were had the great opportunity last 231 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,720 week to meet with a friend of ours, 232 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,720 Victor Lee, who used to be an actually 233 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,640 an RCSD parent, although his kids have 234 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,480 all graduated now, but we worked with 235 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,880 him a couple years ago with one of our 236 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:06,399 PD cohorts, and he met with us for 237 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:09,040 lunch. He happens to be the faculty 238 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:11,279 faculty lead at the Stanford Accelerator 239 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,800 for Learnings initiative on AI and 240 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,480 education. So, it was a really good 241 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,000 opportunity for us to pick his brain. 242 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,959 he's been doing a lot of work with the 243 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:23,120 research in specifically in education 244 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:26,399 and he had this great analogy of seeing 245 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:29,839 AI in the same way as the advent of the 246 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:32,399 car. Um when the car came along, it 247 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:34,800 changed how people lived. It changed the 248 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:37,279 layout of cities. It changed what 249 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,760 opportunities we had for work because we 250 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:41,839 suddenly didn't have to be tied to some 251 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,800 place really close to us. It really 252 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:46,720 changed society. We don't want Redwood 253 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,800 City to be the place that says no, we 254 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,519 don't need cars. That would not really 255 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:56,079 be in service of our adults or our 256 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:59,920 children. But at the same time, we're a 257 00:10:56,079 --> 00:11:02,800 a community with cars, but we don't we 258 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,800 we spend children's childhood saying, 259 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,800 "Okay, look both ways before you cross 260 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,200 the street. Hold my hand when we go in 261 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,680 the crosswalk. Um, make sure you pay 262 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,399 attention to this crossing guard." 263 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:17,120 So, we need to have that balance. Back 264 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:19,120 when first when cars first came out, 265 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,560 even for adults, we didn't just say, 266 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,800 "Here, I'm going to teach you all how to 267 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:24,880 drive and here's keys." We had to have 268 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,320 highways, and those highways had to be 269 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:30,560 built with the the right grade so that 270 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,440 if we had to turn, we didn't topple the 271 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:35,279 car. That had to be studied. We had to 272 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,200 have gas stations. We had to have ways 273 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:38,959 to get the gas to the gas station. We 274 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,440 had to have ways for the ass to go from 275 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:44,720 the tank to the car. We had to have ways 276 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,920 to put belts and hoses in people's hands 277 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,480 so that if something happened to the 278 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,959 car, they could fix it. There is a lot 279 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,079 of groundwork that goes into adopting 280 00:11:50,959 --> 00:11:54,000 something that's going to change 281 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:56,000 society. So, we want to keep all of that 282 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,120 in mind and really center, sorry, I went 283 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,920 on for a long time. Um, we really want 284 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:05,920 to center on the ultimate educational 285 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,519 goal and again, not on the tool. So, I 286 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,480 probably should have said all of this 287 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:12,399 after this next slide, but here is our 288 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,519 initial 289 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:18,160 district stance, our guidelines, um, of 290 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:20,880 making sure that we have human- centered 291 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,880 AI use for adults so far. So, we're 292 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,440 emphasizing humans in the loop and 293 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,519 thinking of AI as a thought partner and 294 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,320 assistant and always centering on the 295 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:32,240 human. Um, align our use to the 296 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,240 educational goals and vision of the 297 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,800 district, site, and classroom. make sure 298 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,440 we're always, always, always, always 299 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,600 protecting student privacy, um, 300 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,600 considering equity and ethics, and only 301 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,279 use AI for tasks that you have the time 302 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,880 and background knowledge to double check 303 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:50,360 and then actually make sure that you 304 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,360 double check it. 305 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,200 So, we wanted to talk a little bit about 306 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:01,600 the tools that we are seeing being used. 307 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Um, so I'm going to start with talking 308 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,880 about the tools that uh teachers have 309 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,880 been using and what some of the things 310 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,600 that you might see that they're using 311 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:14,079 them for. Um, so all of the ones on here 312 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,680 are ones that have surfaced that we've 313 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:18,000 heard about through teachers or we've 314 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,320 seen them using. There are numerous 315 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:24,800 other ones. They keep new ones every 316 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,000 day. Uh but ones that we're seeing, some 317 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800 of the tasks that we're seeing 318 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,959 frequently being done with them are that 319 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,560 teachers are using them to get ideas for 320 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:37,440 lesson plan planning. Um figuring out 321 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:42,560 how to change the level of an activity 322 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:45,680 to to make it more um differentiated for 323 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:48,480 different levels in the class. Getting 324 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:51,200 uh feedback, ideas for feedback on 325 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,240 student work. um ways of giving them 326 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:57,600 feedback that's positive but yet drives 327 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,600 them forward to the next step. Uh 328 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,680 getting help with wording things like 329 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:05,519 emails. Sometimes it can be hard to 330 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:10,240 email a parent and AI gives them maybe 331 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:12,880 like a better way of framing it. Um 332 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,199 we've seen uh teachers searching for 333 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,480 asset based language for like feedback 334 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:21,040 again on on report cards for students. 335 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,920 uh searching for specific instructional 336 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:27,120 strategies for particular needs that get 337 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:30,480 surfaced. And as we're doing our MTSS 338 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,880 work at the sites and using data and 339 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,040 looking at the site goals, we expect 340 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,360 there to be more of those kind of 341 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,000 questions that they might ask about how 342 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,920 can we how can we differentiate for 343 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,639 these particular student needs and what 344 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,839 can we you know what can we bring um to 345 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:50,959 the table and AI is is a thought partner 346 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:53,600 in those things. Um but we you know 347 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:57,360 encourage teachers to be checking what 348 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:01,680 it is doing as they are using it. Um and 349 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:04,800 then uh we also have been seeing 350 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:07,360 teachers use it to create rubrics. Um 351 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,519 which it's really a help in doing the 352 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,519 first draft of a rubric because rubrics 353 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,360 have all these little boxes you have to 354 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:16,800 fill in. They kind of are tedious to 355 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,639 sort of fill in and level. Um, but we 356 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,120 also encourage them to go through and 357 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:24,440 edit and make them really customized to 358 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,440 their assignments. 359 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Then we're seeing, like I said, if we 360 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:34,000 can go to the next slide. Um, oh, I 361 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,839 forgot about this one. Um, so we're 362 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,600 seeing uh them show up in a lot of our 363 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:42,000 tools. And just the beginning of this 364 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,639 year, Google, right, like the week 365 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,519 before school started, came out with 366 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:49,920 here's all these new tools that we're 367 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:51,839 giving to teachers. Um, and so now 368 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,480 embedded in Google Classroom, which our 369 00:15:51,839 --> 00:15:57,279 teachers use to manage their assignments 370 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,240 and classes, there are a whole set of 371 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:03,759 kind of pre-done tools where they've 372 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,160 prompted it already um to give an easy 373 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:09,680 response for teachers. So teachers can 374 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:12,320 go in and ask like um can you help me 375 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,639 brainstorm real world examples for this 376 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,240 and there's a button for that. So um 377 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:19,199 these tools are there for all of our 378 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,759 teachers to use. Um in in addition to 379 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:24,000 notebook LM which we've been trying to 380 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:26,320 model um for both teachers and 381 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,680 administrators we see that as being a 382 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,600 really strong tool and then also Google 383 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,199 gems which allow teachers to kind of 384 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,680 create a um 385 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:40,560 template of a prompt that then they can 386 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:43,279 use in multiple situations. So, like 387 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,399 they could write a whole prompt about, 388 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:48,320 you know, ask me uh what level my 389 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:50,560 student is reading at. Ask me what their 390 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,480 I Ready scores are. Do this and then 391 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,399 suggest me. So, we can you can do kind 392 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,639 of a whole sequence. Save that sequence 393 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:59,639 and then come back to it again and 394 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,639 again. 395 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,720 And then on the next slide, 396 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,760 um these are some of the products where 397 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:12,079 we're seeing it show up for students. So 398 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:15,280 we have taken the approach that we uh do 399 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:20,000 not at this point recommend opening up 400 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:25,280 full access to a generative AI like chat 401 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:27,919 GPT or Gemini for students. Um but we do 402 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,960 see a number of our tools using elements 403 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:33,200 of AI and we're trying to understand how 404 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,960 to use those better. But some of the 405 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,960 ways that we're seeing it like in 406 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,120 products like Adobe Express and Book 407 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,720 Creator and Canva which we have across 408 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:46,240 the district uh there are ways to do 409 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,080 image generation that have been created 410 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,760 to be safe for students. So the 411 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,000 guardrails are there. It's not going to 412 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,400 create something that's inappropriate. 413 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,559 Um it's it's not going to let them, you 414 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,600 know, make a naughty picture with the 415 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:02,640 AI, but they can use it for academic 416 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:05,919 purposes. So a teacher might ask them to 417 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,640 generate a book cover for the book that 418 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:10,880 they read for their independent reading 419 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,600 and through the way that the student 420 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,600 prompts the image generator and the 421 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,960 images that come out you can tell 422 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,120 something about what they understood 423 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,600 about the story about the book. So it 424 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:25,200 can be used in a creative way to do 425 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:28,320 assessment or to enhance like a project 426 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,320 that they're working on. The other uh 427 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,200 way we're seeing it in 428 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:36,320 um Google Classroom. They have a tool 429 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:39,280 called practice sets that let students 430 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,360 um teachers set up questions and 431 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,760 students can interact with them. They 432 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:46,960 can uh they have some AI components in 433 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,320 there too in terms of suggesting uh 434 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,080 additional learning things. If the 435 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,320 students get the questions wrong, they 436 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,679 they kind of give a playlist of things 437 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:58,799 that um that they could do to get to 438 00:18:55,679 --> 00:19:01,280 understand that concept better. And then 439 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:02,880 notebook LM that I mentioned earlier. 440 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Um, 441 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,840 we are only allowing for teachers at 442 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:10,000 this point, but the power of Notebook LM 443 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,120 is that teach Huh. 444 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 >> I'm just saying it's pretty cool. 445 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,640 >> Yeah, it's pretty cool. The power of 446 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,840 Notebook LM is that teachers or staff 447 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:20,880 can upload their own documents to it, 448 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:23,520 make a whole kind of set of things, and 449 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,520 then ask questions about that set of 450 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,480 documents. So we can put in the state 451 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:31,039 standards. We can put in the strategies 452 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,559 that we've done for PDs. We can put in 453 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:35,520 all these things. And then we can ask 454 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:37,600 questions against those which makes it a 455 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,039 lot more accurate in its responses and a 456 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,880 lot more customized to us. Um as well as 457 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,600 it has some fun features where it can 458 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,360 make videos or or podcasts that sound 459 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,320 like real people talking about the 460 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:52,080 subject. So, um, so that's kind of cool 461 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,440 and we've been having teachers 462 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,400 experiment with that and their work, um, 463 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,640 process. And then Newella is one that 464 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,039 we've paid for for several years where 465 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,080 they have brought in a new writing tool. 466 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:08,080 And in that writing tool, when students 467 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:11,600 um, submit their essays, teachers can 468 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,840 set it up to give automatic feedback 469 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,760 using AI. So, this is something where 470 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,000 we've had a few teachers experimenting 471 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,400 with it. they've been giving me feedback 472 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,400 and we've been giving feedback directly 473 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,039 to Newella and they've been improving 474 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,280 based on things that we've um brought to 475 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:32,000 their attention. And so we really see 476 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:36,559 this um possibility of the of the rapid 477 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:39,440 feedback to students being a strong um a 478 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:41,520 strong use of the AI. uh it takes 479 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,520 teachers a long time to get to the to 480 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,200 the writing feedback sometimes, but we 481 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,720 know from research that the sooner they 482 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,799 get the feedback, the more effective it 483 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:52,400 is. So, if we can make sure that that 484 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:54,320 feedback is is truly accurate and it's 485 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,919 truly along the lines of what a teacher 486 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:00,080 would say, then it gives that added 487 00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:05,960 layer of that fast feedback before the 488 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,960 teachers um are grading the work. 489 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:13,440 So um bringing us back to this idea of 490 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:15,679 the four Cs of human- centered AI 491 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,440 implementation in education. This is 492 00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:20,559 something that keeps getting brought up 493 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:24,080 as we go to conferences and go to series 494 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:27,760 of meetings. Um the idea that for adults 495 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:31,039 and for students using AI in education 496 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,039 is meant to foster critical thinking, 497 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:35,840 curiosity, collaboration and 498 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:40,640 communication. It's about enhancing 499 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:44,000 education and helping kids think. Um, 500 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,760 and we were struck by the parallels with 501 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,039 our learner, our district learner 502 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:52,400 framework. This, um, if we keep these 503 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:54,799 ideas in mind, we really are enhancing 504 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,280 the path that we've already been going 505 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:59,120 forward on um, with our empowered 506 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,640 learners, our effective collaborators, 507 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:03,840 our knowledge constructors, and our 508 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,679 creative communicators. Um, so this is 509 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:09,600 one thing that we want to keep in mind 510 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:12,559 as we build PD for both teachers and and 511 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:15,120 helping teachers to talk to kids about 512 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:18,000 AI and what is it that they need to be 513 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:19,679 aware of in in their world because they 514 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,919 are hearing about it and they are 515 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:24,000 surrounded by it. So how can they think 516 00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:27,000 about it with curiosity and critical 517 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000 thinking? 518 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:37,120 So just recently um I attended the um 519 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,039 accelerate edtech impact summit at 520 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:42,799 Stanford and this was a one-day 521 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:46,880 conference that brought together 522 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:49,440 researchers from Stanford with CEOs and 523 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:54,080 execs from the tech companies with 524 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:56,480 funders who support the research um and 525 00:22:54,080 --> 00:23:00,080 education and then educators. So all in 526 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:02,000 one room to have a conversation about 527 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:06,320 edtech, but in this case it was all 528 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,960 about AI really. Um, so we saw I saw a 529 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,880 number of panels with experts and you 530 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,720 can read some of the quotes that were 531 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:16,880 included in the slides, but generally 532 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,360 just the 533 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,600 sense of the day was that a lot of the 534 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:25,280 conversation was kind of gravitating 535 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:28,159 towards what is the human aspect of AI 536 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,679 and in education in particular, what do 537 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:32,960 we need to put our attention on? And it 538 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:35,039 really is the things that Bronner were 539 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,159 just was just talking about. The word 540 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:40,559 curiosity came up a lot at the on the 541 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:42,960 panels. The word imagination came up a 542 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:46,159 lot and the word discernment came up a 543 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,000 lot. And so just thinking about how are 544 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:49,840 we making sure that we are helping our 545 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,760 students to be good at those three 546 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:57,039 things. Um so that they can at some 547 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,200 point use these tools and have the the 548 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:01,760 discernment to use them well but 549 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,080 maintain their curiosity and their 550 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:09,159 thirst for learning rather than thinking 551 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,159 of them as a way of shortcutting that. 552 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:16,799 Then we wanted to just give you a brief 553 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:19,360 overview of the handbook that we 554 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:21,039 created. We spoke with the site 555 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:24,159 administrators at the beginning of the 556 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:26,400 year um right before school started and 557 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:29,039 um did a little walkthrough, did some 558 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,400 some playtime with them to show them 559 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,559 what was available in our handbook. Um 560 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,559 as we said at the beginning, once the 561 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:40,799 policy is in place, we can start 562 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:42,480 expanding on the handbook. Um, but we 563 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,640 have a few places here where there's 564 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,200 some scenarios where we walk people 565 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,679 through some stop, slow, and grow, go. 566 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Here's what you really want to go ahead 567 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:55,200 and leverage AI for, but here are some 568 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,919 places where you should stop and pause. 569 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,600 Um, and then some more district 570 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:02,880 resources and and of course the the 571 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,960 bullet points that we already went 572 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,279 through about making sure that you uh 573 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:11,720 take care of student privacy and check 574 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,720 the work etc. 575 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:19,760 So next slide then for our next steps um 576 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,360 we're going to continue to work with uh 577 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,919 you to help inform the schoolboard 578 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,240 policy. So I think that you have your 579 00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:31,919 school board policy committee is going 580 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:34,960 to be presenting a draft to you soon. Um 581 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:36,640 and so uh we will work with them in 582 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,799 terms of coming up with the 583 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,640 administrative regulations to go along 584 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:45,440 with that. And um then once it becomes 585 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,080 policy, we will uh work with you to 586 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,600 implement the the things that are in 587 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,840 that policy and what um you decide to 588 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:58,799 set forth in terms of kind of our next 589 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:01,440 steps in this area. Um we want to create 590 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:04,720 criteria for evaluating and recommending 591 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:09,679 tools. Uh so like we said, we've been 592 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:12,640 kind of waiting and watching on the the 593 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:14,400 tool front, but at some point we will 594 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:19,279 probably be looking at adopting 595 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,960 something new and um we want to have we 596 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,120 want to kind of know what it is that 597 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,080 we're looking for when we do that. So we 598 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,720 want to get some criteria in place and 599 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:32,720 have a process for evaluating 600 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,880 uh as that comes up. And then as we 601 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,679 continue on, we will continue our 602 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,840 professional learning opportunities. We 603 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:42,159 want to do some more work around the 604 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,880 ethical and professional use of AI for 605 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:47,919 teachers and for administrators. 606 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,320 um we want to we want to take the 607 00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:54,080 opportunities that we have to give them 608 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:57,120 practical tips for using AI um as part 609 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,120 of their MTSS process or for the 610 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:02,080 differentiated learning that they need 611 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,840 as a result of that. Um, and then we're 612 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,919 going to continue to work with the 613 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:09,200 teachers who are kind of more outfront 614 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:11,600 on this to experiment and to kind of 615 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,360 look and get feedback on what they are 616 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,559 seeing when they try some of the AI 617 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:19,360 tools and when um students are actually 618 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:23,120 using things. what what are we seeing 619 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:28,080 that we need to be um considering 620 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:30,000 uh about in terms of restrictions or 621 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,000 things that are just like wow we need to 622 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,039 see more of this. So we're going to be 623 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,559 kind of watching that and then thinking 624 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:41,320 about like which things need to get 625 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,320 rolled out in a bigger and wider basis. 626 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,240 And I think that kind of covers our 627 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,520 overview. So, we're happy to take 628 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,039 questions if you have. 629 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,640 >> All right. Thank you, Ronnia and Ca 630 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,320 Kathy for coming and presenting tonight 631 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,760 and sort of covering this and the 632 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,520 conferences you've gone to and 633 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,559 congratulations on making it into the 634 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,480 state cohort. Um, do people have does 635 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:06,159 any trust you want to start with um 636 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,360 questions, comments or discussion. 637 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,039 Cecilia, please. 638 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,640 >> Sure. Um, thank you again for the 639 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,320 presentation. Um, I love the 640 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,720 collaboration and obviously your 641 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,480 curiosity for actually helping and 642 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,880 making the connection with all the 643 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:23,840 teachers um and staff that uses AI. Um 644 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,559 my question is what percentage would you 645 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:31,440 say that teachers um what percentage of 646 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:33,840 teachers use are using AI and do you 647 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,159 maybe feel or believe that there are 648 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,200 still teachers are still a little bit 649 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:43,360 hesitant to use it and if so are you 650 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:48,480 guys there trying to help them navigate 651 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,919 the this new era I guess 652 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,559 >> I think think it really depends on what 653 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,799 grade level the teachers are, but we do 654 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:57,919 see the gamut. I mean, we see some who 655 00:28:54,799 --> 00:29:01,120 are not well don't have any plans to try 656 00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:03,360 at all. Um, and then we see some who 657 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,799 just 658 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,520 can't wait for the next the next use 659 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,520 case. I think on the middle school side, 660 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,279 we are seeing teachers using it kind of 661 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,360 in that thought partner role that we 662 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:18,640 talked about for getting ideas for 663 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:21,440 lesson plans and um helping them write 664 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,000 some things. They're not always, I would 665 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,960 say, transparent about their use. So, 666 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,960 it's hard for us to kind of quantify. Um 667 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,200 I think in some cases they might be 668 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,039 afraid that it would look bad on them to 669 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,159 admit that they're using the AI. So, we 670 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:38,640 can't necessarily get a clear sense of 671 00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:42,000 what they're doing with it. Um, we do 672 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:46,240 know, I mean, like I know a handful, 673 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,919 like three, four teachers who have lots 674 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,600 of questions about it and who are 675 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:51,120 willing to try things and who when they 676 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,960 see me want to talk to me about what 677 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,360 they're doing or the new tools that 678 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,360 they've seen. But that's not necessarily 679 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,039 the typical. And I think on a recent Did 680 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,960 you want to I can see you kind of on 681 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,360 >> I have one more to add too but 682 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,120 >> um I'm I just I'm doing a teacher survey 683 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,399 and so out of the response that we've 684 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,440 had of 45 so far 21 about 21 have said 685 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:16,240 that they are using some form of 686 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,080 >> majority are not though a lot say no way 687 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,840 are we going to do this so there's just 688 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,279 a lot of hesitancy I think 689 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,520 >> and and just as with anything really we 690 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:28,480 did have a few teachers who used it 691 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,399 early on and Then 692 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,039 we're always going to see hallucinations 693 00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:35,600 and incorrect information, but there was 694 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,279 more of it earlier. And so if you tried 695 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,120 something and said and found out, "Oh my 696 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,960 gosh, look at this. I it's not really 697 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,240 helping me," you're going to be more 698 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:48,399 hesitant to try it again soon. 699 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,320 >> Okay. Yeah, that's it for me. Thank you, 700 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:52,640 >> David. Yeah. 701 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,159 >> Um I'll echo all the Thank you for 702 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,200 putting this together and also good to 703 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,399 see you guys in person. I know that I 704 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,039 was on the policy committee so I saw 705 00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:01,840 your squares. Uh but great to see you in 706 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:05,520 person. Uh part of it's funny because I 707 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,039 think we went through it cold. Um and 708 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,559 you've given me the gift of learning 709 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,799 more and so now I have more more 710 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:13,279 questions and uh but that I guess that's 711 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,880 how it goes is iterating. Um it's also 712 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:17,600 super timely and like kudos to the 713 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,159 district because 714 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,279 we I CPA has a policy. I feel like we're 715 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,960 ahead of the game in terms of like 716 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,919 really figuring this out which is 717 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,159 amazing. um working with other trustees 718 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:30,960 on and sampling what their concerns are 719 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:33,919 across the county. AI is like one of if 720 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,000 not the top question. Um so I love that 721 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:37,840 we're doing that. One of the I guess the 722 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,519 only thing that I had a question on 723 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,559 reflecting now on your presentation and 724 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:45,200 the board policy is um and I mentioned 725 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,799 this before but a lot of it I think a 726 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,159 lot of the draft which I Wendy thank you 727 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,519 for circulating that to everybody 728 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:51,200 because I think it's super helpful. a 729 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,440 lot of it's framed like very positively 730 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,880 and principles based which is very good 731 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,480 in some ways right it's like encouraging 732 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,720 to do the right things and then I think 733 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,760 a little bit buried in there is like and 734 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,360 use it accountably which is good but I 735 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,640 do uh I feel like we I'm a little um I 736 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,039 want to make sure that we're doing we're 737 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,440 making the right balance of encouraging 738 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,440 staff to like take this on as a tool to 739 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,159 multiply their effectiveness while also 740 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,519 guarding against the risk of over 741 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:19,039 reliance right because like 742 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,320 >> we've seen that in multiple professions 743 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:23,279 And there's it's not going to be any 744 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,279 different here too. So the the one thing 745 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:28,559 that I think that I'm thinking about now 746 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:31,279 is how how can we build that in in a way 747 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:32,320 that's broad enough to still encompass 748 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,159 all the things that we're not going to 749 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,480 be able to anticipate. But similar like 750 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:37,760 like with a principle of what are the 751 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,840 things that we are afraid of that we 752 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:44,399 know for sure we don't want staff to do 753 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,760 and then like how do we build that into 754 00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:46,799 um the policy. And I don't know if you 755 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,159 have thoughts and this isn't like a 756 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,880 question for you now. I I think we're 757 00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:51,279 probably going to talk through the 758 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,080 policy later and maybe maybe AI can help 759 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,360 us with it too. But um that maybe 760 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,480 something to chew on if you have initial 761 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,480 thoughts on that. Like 762 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200 >> I mean my initial thought is kind of 763 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,039 going to the difference between policy 764 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,240 and guidelines. 765 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:09,919 Um, and policy 766 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:12,559 is sort of a a a broader umbrella of the 767 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:15,519 rules, whereas guidelines are going to 768 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:18,640 be more specifically about that are set 769 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:20,880 by the leadership team and are the 770 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,600 things that are going to be around 771 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,880 feedback. You can't it's harder to give 772 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:29,279 feedback about a policy whereas you can 773 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,600 give feedback about guidelines. 774 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,200 That would be my first my initial 775 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 reaction to your question if that makes 776 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,799 sense. 777 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,679 >> I think it makes sense but to push back 778 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,240 a little bit. 779 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:41,679 >> I think one of the things you mentioned 780 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,519 was in the handbook you guys are in the 781 00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:45,519 process of also building out some of the 782 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,960 the don'ts. Um 783 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,159 >> so I imagine those don'ts are coming 784 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,519 from something like we are guarding 785 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:50,960 against something at a at a broader 786 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,960 level. So I think that's what I'm trying 787 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,880 to sus out like what what is it exactly 788 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,360 that we want to capture there? Um, 789 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,720 >> I think, um, so I think that some of 790 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,120 this could come in the administrative 791 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,640 regulations um because I do think that 792 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,639 there were statements in the draft 793 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,440 policy about ethical use and um, 794 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,560 >> right 795 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,359 >> and citing sources, but I think some of 796 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,240 the concerns that we've that we have 797 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:21,040 that would come out in in the more 798 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:23,679 specific regulations would be around 799 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,720 like specifically 800 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:31,599 the don'ts around putting putting 801 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:34,480 student information into the chat bots. 802 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:36,240 Um making sure that we're guard, you 803 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:42,960 know, we've got the guard rails for the 804 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:46,240 for privacy. Uh making sure that um that 805 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,399 teachers and students know how to site 806 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:50,000 uh the fact that they used AI, that 807 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:52,800 we're not hiding the fact that we're 808 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,240 using AI. um we don't have like a clear 809 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,879 answer on this but I think that there's 810 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,680 a big question on some of the tools that 811 00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:03,200 um help teachers to grade or to give 812 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,680 feedback uh what are the kind of legal 813 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,720 implications of them having access to 814 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,560 that student work and what kind of act 815 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,480 what kind of things do we need to keep 816 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:17,040 in mind about you know if students are 817 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,200 only getting feedback from technology 818 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,040 and not from the teachers and how is 819 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,839 that impacting grades and what kind of 820 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,440 legal ramifications could be there. So, 821 00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:27,359 I think some of those things we need to 822 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,920 still 823 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:34,240 um kind of figure out statewide people 824 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,599 are trying to figure out. Um, so I'm not 825 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:40,480 sure that there's like a clear policy 826 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:43,440 line to put on that, but I think we 827 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,359 should be adding them uh into our ARS as 828 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,760 we go because I think that we're going 829 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:52,880 to see that those things are important 830 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,480 and important to spell out. Um, 831 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,160 so I don't know if that that doesn't 832 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,560 fully answer the question because I 833 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,640 think your your question is also our 834 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,960 question like what else what else should 835 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,079 be there? But our feeling is that the 836 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,640 policy needs to give the guard rails the 837 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:11,119 general guardrails at this point and 838 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,440 then uh the in the everything is 839 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:15,680 changing so quickly um that it's such a 840 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,520 moving target. So it's kind of it gets 841 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,440 difficult to nail down every single 842 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,240 don't that we should put in. I mean if 843 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,560 you go back to the car analogy initially 844 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:26,800 cars couldn't go that fast. So they 845 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,040 didn't realize they needed a speed limit 846 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,880 until it became an issue. And I feel 847 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,960 like AI is going to be similar to that. 848 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,599 >> Yeah. U 849 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,880 Thank you. 850 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,720 >> Thanks, David Weekley. 851 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,240 >> Thanks. Uh this is an area I have a lot 852 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,960 of thoughts about. I really appreciated 853 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,960 the uh back and forth in in advance of 854 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,480 this meeting as well. Um you two are 855 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,839 clearly really engaged on this topic, 856 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,680 which is exactly what we want to see and 857 00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:58,800 congratulations again on the uh on the 858 00:36:53,680 --> 00:37:01,200 award. Um I feel like there's a lot of 859 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,040 thoughtfulness in terms of like the the 860 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,800 risks, the concerns, the guide rails, 861 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,880 like and that's awesome and we and we 862 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,880 want to see that. Um, I I'd love to see 863 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,599 kind of the flip side of that is like 864 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,160 what are you most enthusiastic about 865 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:17,920 seeing transformed in this district by 866 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,000 AI uh on on student behalf, on teacher 867 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,680 behalf, on staff behalf like what are 868 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,520 some of your hopes for what we could 869 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,079 roll out on what kind of a timeline to 870 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,079 have what kind of impact? 871 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,440 Do you have something? I'm 872 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,520 >> thinking thing that pops into my head 873 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,119 and I don't know that this necessarily 874 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,280 will be what pops into my head a week 875 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:41,200 from now, but just hearing 876 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,200 >> um one of the things I've been working 877 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:47,599 with is teachers in um go in uh really 878 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,599 implementing our 10step at this point. 879 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,119 only a five-step comprehension process 880 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,839 because they haven't finished the the 881 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:57,520 training yet, but the first five steps 882 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:59,920 um and and being I do feel that being 883 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:05,040 able to use AI as a thought partner in 884 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:07,359 creating those materials and and um 885 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,200 and and going deeper with them and 886 00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,800 understanding them better. I see a lot 887 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,520 of potential there for that. 888 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,560 >> Yeah, for sure. 889 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,880 So, I see I guess a couple of things um 890 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,920 that I sort of alluded to earlier. One 891 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,000 would be that um you know, we've been 892 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,280 working a lot with teachers on writing 893 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:30,240 this year. Um that's been a site goal 894 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,320 for many of our middle school sites. And 895 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,880 so as I've been coaching with teachers, 896 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,200 I have to say in the 13 years that I've 897 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,599 been here, um I've tried talking with 898 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,079 teachers about using rubrics for grading 899 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:45,760 numerous times and it's always been kind 900 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:48,560 of a hard cell. Uh but we're seeing a 901 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,040 much bigger uptick of them using it as 902 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,040 we're working on the the writing work 903 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,880 now. And one of the things that we've 904 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,440 been able to easily do is kind of say 905 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:01,440 like, let's feed your assignment into 906 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,760 the AI and and the standards that you're 907 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,200 trying to address from the state and 908 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,920 have it generate a rubric that that has 909 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,760 the criteria that we're looking for and 910 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,119 then using that as a draft. And that's 911 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,040 been a really big timesaver. And it it 912 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,480 seems very doable to teachers when I'm 913 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,920 mo, you know, we're modeling it for 914 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:25,680 them. And so like I see an increase just 915 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,960 from just that one uh use. And so I 916 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,400 think just in terms of like the 917 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,079 efficiency and like the things that 918 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,560 we're asking teachers to do are getting 919 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:35,440 harder and harder, but there are ways 920 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,520 that the AI can make that faster and 921 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,400 take the burden off of them. And so that 922 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,640 I think is exciting to me. Um, I think 923 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,320 the I think that the idea of using it 924 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,000 for feedback is also something that 925 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,200 where I see a really uh I I see that as 926 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,480 being promising and that's something 927 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,599 that I've been working with a few 928 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,400 teachers to really investigate how well 929 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,640 that's working um specifically with 930 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,160 Newella writing. But there's other tools 931 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,119 that we're looking at that do the same 932 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,440 thing. 933 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:05,200 >> These are great like teacher centered 934 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,359 answers. The first bullet point in the 935 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,480 proposed uh policy here is student 936 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:11,680 centered and and I'm curious uh you've 937 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,280 given some of the guardrails of what 938 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,520 would need to be true to start opening 939 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,760 these tools up to to students 940 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880 constructively but um I I would love to 941 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,760 hear some thoughts from you about 942 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:25,400 student transformation visav use of AI 943 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,400 in the learning process. 944 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,440 So, sorry, I'm just trying to think 945 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,760 here. What would be a good example? Um, 946 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,560 so I do think, so I'm just going to go 947 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,760 back to sort of the roots of my edtech 948 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,760 message, which is that whenever we're 949 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,680 asking students to use technology in the 950 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,480 classroom, we really see the strength of 951 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,079 it being when they use it to create 952 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,400 rather than to consume. 953 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,560 >> Yes. 954 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,640 >> So, I'm not interested in having them 955 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,400 use AI to generate the answers to the 956 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,800 questions that the teachers asked them. 957 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000 Yeah. 958 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,040 >> Um but uh rather to be thinking about 959 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,119 how can they use AI to make uh videos 960 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000 for example to make graphics for things 961 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:11,359 to 962 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,800 >> to you know like be imaginative and come 963 00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:17,119 up with things that they um they want to 964 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,200 make and then how could they make them 965 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:22,640 use you know with AI as a thought 966 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,480 partner in that. And so I think that 967 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,119 there are some tools where we're 968 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,560 starting to see that be, you know, 969 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:32,319 available to students. Um, 970 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,640 you know, it's it's harder to answer 971 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:39,280 this one in that we have been, 972 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,720 uh, more focused on the teacher uses at 973 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,000 this point than we have on the student 974 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:46,000 uses. And so, um, you know, we have a 975 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,079 few teachers who are willing to 976 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,160 experiment, but not a lot. And so with 977 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,839 any technology adoption, that's kind of 978 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,599 typical that we have the people who are 979 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:56,240 sort of like the explorers that are out 980 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,440 there on the cutting edge and then most 981 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,880 teachers are going to wait until we say 982 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,000 go. 983 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,680 >> So a when do we say go for the teachers 984 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,599 and then b I understand wanting to 985 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,040 sequence like focusing on the teachers 986 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:11,599 before we roll things out to the 987 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,240 students, but just hallucinating as you 988 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,480 would uh some timelines here. When do 989 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,000 you think we say yes for opening this up 990 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,920 more broadly for teachers and sort of 991 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,079 having this be a baseline expectation 992 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,240 and then B when do we start opening this 993 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,280 up for for students to be in begin 994 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,520 creating with these tools? 995 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,359 >> I think one of my concerns with that is 996 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,119 just the time to do the professional 997 00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:32,720 development because 998 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,119 >> um like one of the speakers the other 999 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,599 day at the Stanford Summit said we like 1000 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,800 to prompt the humans before we prompt 1001 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,119 the AI. Yeah. 1002 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,560 >> And then she she used that to launch 1003 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:46,640 into the need for professional 1004 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,079 development. And so um we you know have 1005 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,000 limited time for professional 1006 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,839 development and that time is often taken 1007 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,440 up with our curriculum which as it 1008 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:57,839 should be. Um and so we need to be you 1009 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,640 know creative I guess with figuring out 1010 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:04,240 how the AI professional development gets 1011 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,079 woven in there. Um but I'm reticent to 1012 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:09,040 to say that we're going to rush into 1013 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:12,400 this without laying a good firm 1014 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,240 groundwork with that training. So um so 1015 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,280 it makes it a little hard to predict the 1016 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,599 timeline. AI itself is going way faster 1017 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,640 than any edtech has ever gone 1018 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,520 >> yet and our systems are not going at 1019 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,520 that speed. 1020 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,200 >> Totally. And and I think that means a a 1021 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160 sort of as was alluded to earlier, we're 1022 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,760 probably going to need to check in on 1023 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,440 this topic a little bit more regularly 1024 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,280 than like hey let's have let's talk 1025 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,400 about this again in three years and like 1026 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,040 maybe something will have changed 1027 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,200 between now and then. Um but B that that 1028 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,920 things at home and the kind of access to 1029 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,359 technology that our students um and and 1030 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,400 parents and community members have 1031 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:48,000 access to is going to uh not be 1032 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,839 constrained by thoughtful policy 1033 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,760 guidelines about like what we do open up 1034 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:53,440 and don't open up and how does that 1035 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,839 change for instance how we think about 1036 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,760 homework as a district? 1037 00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:00,480 Well, so one of the things I was going 1038 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,400 to add to what Kathy says is we want to 1039 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,240 have the foundation for adults, but we 1040 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,160 also need to have a foundation for kids 1041 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,240 before they can start using it. And that 1042 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,480 would be talking teaching them to think 1043 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,200 critically of what they see that is 1044 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,119 generated by AI, much like we should 1045 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,599 they need to know more about anything 1046 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:22,079 that's in in their world, their media 1047 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:24,800 world. Um and and and I I actually am 1048 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,720 excited about that opportunity to teach 1049 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,520 them to look at these things critically 1050 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,599 because that really is the crux of the 1051 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,520 type of thinking and and learning that 1052 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,720 we want them to be doing and it's a and 1053 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,920 it's relevant to them. Um 1054 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,319 and then that would so that really is 1055 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,520 timesensitive. they, as you say, they 1056 00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:47,280 are um already exposed to all of this 1057 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,280 and how do we make sure that they 1058 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,359 understand when they're seeing things on 1059 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,880 their I don't even know if Instagram is 1060 00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,880 what they look at anymore on their Tik 1061 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,359 Tok or whatever when so that they can 1062 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,079 think about it before they consume it. 1063 00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,920 Um 1064 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:04,400 >> but it's like do we assign homework? 1065 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:06,640 >> Oh, you're So that is not our question. 1066 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,240 >> But but but it's salient. It's relevant, 1067 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,160 you know. Yeah. No, it I mean, but I 1068 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,720 think it's a question that's good for 1069 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,040 for you as board to consider as this 1070 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:17,040 evolves. Um, but I also think that we'll 1071 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,680 see both in-class assignments and 1072 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,000 homework assignments needing to change 1073 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,760 and university professors are already 1074 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,640 encountering this that they're having to 1075 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,280 rethink 1076 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,240 >> the way that they give assignments um so 1077 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,920 that 1078 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:34,880 >> it isn't uh something that can be done 1079 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,160 strictly with the AI. I mean, you know, 1080 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,359 without any thought or or um agency from 1081 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,040 the human involved. 1082 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:42,960 >> And this is something that teachers 1083 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,800 already had to encounter once before 1084 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,240 when we were at in sheltering or when we 1085 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,599 were doing distance learning, they had 1086 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,680 to change a lot of their assignments 1087 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:53,599 because we needed to make sure that the 1088 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:58,640 parents weren't doing it for them. So, 1089 00:45:53,599 --> 00:46:00,480 which happened. Sorry. Um but so it is 1090 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,800 we do we have to be agile 1091 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,240 >> but at the same time I mean we're seeing 1092 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,200 you know we're going to see a growth in 1093 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,520 products that can give students uh 1094 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,560 practice problems that are at the level 1095 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:15,440 where they need to be and um and 1096 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,800 potentially offer them sort of tutorials 1097 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,520 and that kind of thing and those may be 1098 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,119 um good uses at home. 1099 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,599 We we talked about how this could be 1100 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,040 used for teachers to help them better 1101 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,640 prepare materials. Some of the materials 1102 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,319 now could include like fully interactive 1103 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,079 websites and programs. You know, all of 1104 00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:34,400 our teachers could be programmers of 1105 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,319 interactive educational materials that 1106 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,599 that becomes a thing you can do casually 1107 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:41,359 now, which is kind of incredible. 1108 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,760 >> Yeah, there there's a lot that you can 1109 00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:44,160 do. 1110 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,359 >> All right. Thanks. Um yeah, I'm excited 1111 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,359 about these. Thanks again for the 1112 00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:50,880 presentation. Um, I think, you know, you 1113 00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:52,240 guys ask great questions, but all my 1114 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,440 questions were mostly centered around 1115 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,640 like what would the policy look like? 1116 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,079 And now that I've seen the draft, I've 1117 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,680 got a much better sense of what what 1118 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,680 kind of things are in there. Um, I guess 1119 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,440 the thing that because it's so early in 1120 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,079 adoption or hasn't even really been 1121 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,800 rolled out. Um it'd be awesome to be 1122 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:08,560 thinking about like how we'll know if AI 1123 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,160 is actually improving outcomes for 1124 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,000 particularly for like our unduplicated 1125 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,760 students um and our you know our English 1126 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,680 learners and not just making schools 1127 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,440 like high-tech you know and kind of 1128 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,800 pulling that in um and uh you know sort 1129 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,280 of envisioning like what would it look 1130 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,560 what is success like a year from now so 1131 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160 so we can come back. I'm sure some of 1132 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,520 the indicators are like the ones that 1133 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,480 are in the LCAP and things like that, 1134 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,480 but there's probably things like 1135 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,079 engagement in classroom or like are we 1136 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,000 seeing, you know, what sort of what sort 1137 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,319 of trends are we seeing out of there? 1138 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,079 Um, and then you mentioned about how 1139 00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:41,680 it's moving so fast. And it made me 1140 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,839 think like it is it is moving like crazy 1141 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,520 fast. Like we you may want to look at 1142 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:47,200 even thinking in advance about like how 1143 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,560 do we sunset something? like if it's not 1144 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,400 really being effective for student 1145 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,920 outcomes, like should we be just, you 1146 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,760 know, have like a sunset policy in 1147 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,200 there? Be be kind of rigorous about 1148 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,800 like, hey, these are the ones that are 1149 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,000 working, use them, great. These ones 1150 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,720 aren't. We're going to take them away. 1151 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,119 Um, and put that in. So, awesome. Very 1152 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,240 exciting. Um, and uh, thanks for sharing 1153 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,920 the things that you're excited about, 1154 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,640 too, 1155 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,560 John. 1156 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,560 Thank you both Kathy and Bronn for being 1157 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,079 on the cutting edge of this. Um, it's 1158 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,520 quite exciting and at the same time a 1159 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,119 little bit scary. One thing that 1160 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,880 concerns me and I know David you brought 1161 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,960 it up David weekly um in regard to what 1162 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,119 you know how how our parents will use it 1163 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,200 at home with with the students we have 1164 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,520 parents you know that are quite 1165 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,240 different and when it comes to resources 1166 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,640 so the thing that bothers me most is 1167 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:38,319 that our parents who don't have those 1168 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,960 resources and may not have the ability 1169 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:42,720 uh education wise also to truly 1170 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,760 understand the guard rails because 1171 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,440 that's a big issue everything you read 1172 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,400 and any type of research that's coming 1173 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,000 up in regard to students, especially I 1174 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,520 understand the high school and I I know 1175 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,680 the high school superintendents have 1176 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,520 been working with us with their staff, 1177 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,359 but the elementary especially those 1178 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,520 guard rails are so important and really 1179 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:06,280 to emphasize that with our parents and 1180 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,280 then to take it one step further for us 1181 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,960 for everybody else who speaks only 1182 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,440 Spanish and has a difficulty 1183 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,920 understanding. That's the critical piece 1184 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,200 for myself and I just hope that we keep 1185 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:22,160 that you know in mind 1186 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,760 >> but great presentation. Um I would like 1187 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,520 to see what any projects that the kids 1188 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,319 have done so far especially with the 1189 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,319 notebook LM is there are there some 1190 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:30,800 >> we haven't turned up notebook LM on for 1191 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:31,920 children. 1192 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,240 >> It's not for kids yet. 1193 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,160 >> It it's so amazing like in about two and 1194 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,359 a half minutes with notebook LM 1195 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,040 >> I can do I can go in. 1196 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:40,640 >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. And in two and a half 1197 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,599 minutes, I put together an 10-minute 1198 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,119 explainer video on quazars with like 20 1199 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,480 different questions to check for 1200 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:48,800 understanding that we're really well 1201 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,960 done. And this is all re uh researched 1202 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,079 with like 120 different sources 1203 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,520 including nasa.gov. There's just notec. 1204 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,760 >> Yeah. Come downstairs tomorrow and we'll 1205 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,359 show 1206 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,760 >> and we'll have to check it out with 1207 00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:01,760 they're always willing to I mean when 1208 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,520 way back when when you guys started and 1209 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,720 I was in the curriculum and instruction 1210 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,480 piece, you helped me out quite a bit 1211 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,880 with this publication. Just just for 1212 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,839 completeness, my peers in industry use 1213 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,280 Notebook LM to educate themselves. So 1214 00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:16,400 when they need to come down a learning 1215 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,319 curve on some technical topic or a new 1216 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,079 industry, they'll go dump a whole bunch 1217 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,079 of material into Notebook LM and then 1218 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:24,640 like make a podcast and listen to it on 1219 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,240 the drive-in. It's it's it's so the the 1220 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,559 world of education is being transformed 1221 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:32,240 by this stuff even outside of education. 1222 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:34,480 I will say that I heard um in one of the 1223 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,280 uh online groups that were part of that 1224 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,040 a neighboring district that their board 1225 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,599 put all of their board policies into 1226 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:45,280 notebookm so that they could query them 1227 00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:46,319 quickly and and ask questions against 1228 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000 Yeah. 1229 00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:51,200 >> I know I know what one of our board 1230 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,400 members is doing this weekend. 1231 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,559 >> That's a good task. 1232 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,400 >> Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. I want 1233 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,559 to be considerate of your time and our 1234 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,400 next speaker's time. So appreciate it. 1235 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,079 I'm sure we'll partner you in a social 1236 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,680 event and you know pick your brain at 1237 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,359 that point. So 1238 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,760 >> um let's move on to our discussion 1239 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,520 items. Uh the next one is 10.1 and it's 1240 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,440 an update on the local funding measure 1241 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:15,200 analysis. Um Johnny the introduction. 1242 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,000 >> We have Jeremy Hower here with us this 1243 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,480 evening and do you have his um who has 1244 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,000 his 1245 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,559 if you can send it to maybe Anna and 1246 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,359 then Anna can. So Jeremy's here to give 1247 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:30,160 us a little recap on how we got to this 1248 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:31,760 point of where we are right now and then 1249 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,000 to do a little bit of summary and remind 1250 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,119 us of where we were in regard to the 1251 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,440 poll and then our next steps. Um, we 1252 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,160 know we have a date coming up in March 1253 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,000 that we all have to be aware of. And if 1254 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,440 we're going in this direction, we need 1255 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,280 to start I would uh envision that, you 1256 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,319 know, from December moving forward, we 1257 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,319 need to really we we we really need to 1258 00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:56,319 get well, I should say I need to get my 1259 00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:58,319 ducks in a row so that I can start 1260 00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:01,440 working very closely with the community 1261 00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:05,440 and also with Amy Buckmaster again in 1262 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:08,480 regard to yay or nay and uh us making 1263 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:11,119 that decision. I'm hoping hoping sooner 1264 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,800 than later. Thank you. And that's a 1265 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:15,200 tough act to follow. I will try to keep 1266 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,880 my uh my content as interesting as the 1267 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:21,280 AI uh nexus with education. Um but we 1268 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,520 got to talk about taxes instead. So 1269 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,880 apologies. Um so as Dr. Beger mentioned, 1270 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,280 I wanted to spend just a few minutes 1271 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,920 tonight kind of recapping where we've 1272 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,319 been in the parcel tax expiration 1273 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,559 process and our recommended next steps 1274 00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:39,520 as we look toward placing a measure on 1275 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:42,160 the ballot uh next June. Um, so first 1276 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,520 just a a quick reminder of, you know, 1277 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,240 the last few times we've been in front 1278 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,640 of you as a board. We were here in March 1279 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,680 to talk about this in concept, the idea 1280 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,839 of uh a supplemental parcel tax based on 1281 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,040 square footage, talk about the pros and 1282 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:59,200 cons of that, the legal parameters uh 1283 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,359 and possible election dates. We then 1284 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,880 came back in April and made it official 1285 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:04,640 and got our contract approved and got 1286 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,960 direction from you to work with Brian 1287 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,640 Godby at Godby Research to actually do 1288 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,640 some polling. you get a better 1289 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,480 understanding of what may or may not be 1290 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,640 feasible in terms of a parcel tax. That 1291 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,040 polling was conducted in late May and 1292 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,119 early June and then we came back to you 1293 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,640 uh in late August to present the results 1294 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,640 for that. You may remember the results 1295 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,559 were encouraging and show that there was 1296 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,800 a path forward for a partial tax measure 1297 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:30,160 next year. Uh so on the next slide 1298 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,640 if you would mind going forward. Thank 1299 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,160 you. Just another quick reminder of the 1300 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,559 key milestones in the parcel tax 1301 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,720 planning process. You all have seen this 1302 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:41,599 slide a lot now. Um there really are 1303 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,520 three key benchmarks that we like to hit 1304 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,119 before we place a measure on the ballot. 1305 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,280 Right now we're squarely in that 1306 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:50,160 awareness building phase doing community 1307 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,160 outreach and engagement. Both uh in a 1308 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,480 broad-based sense to voters and parents 1309 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,160 at large, but also as Dr. Baker alluded 1310 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,040 to, stakeholder outreach and one-on-one 1311 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,240 meetings to get a better sense of um you 1312 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,319 know what folks are thinking about a 1313 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:05,319 potential measure next year. Next slide, 1314 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:05,319 please. 1315 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,599 I wanted to recap the poll results 1316 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,760 quickly just to kind of remind ourselves 1317 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,000 the numbers we're talking about. Um you 1318 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,480 may remember that a parcel tax measure 1319 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,119 requires a 2/3 yes vote in order to be 1320 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,359 approved. Um and so when we did the 1321 00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:23,599 polling earlier this year, we looked at 1322 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,960 a parcel tax measure that would be uh 1323 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,559 based on building square footage. We 1324 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,800 were looking at a measure that was 17.5 1325 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:31,760 cents per square foot that would 1326 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,280 generate just over $14 million annually. 1327 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,359 Uh at the bottom of this slide, you'll 1328 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,119 see the results of that. When we first 1329 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:40,079 asked voters if they'd be willing to 1330 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:43,599 support that, we got a 63 and a half% 1331 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,839 yes vote. We got 11% undecided and 25% 1332 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,520 no. Uh after we provided more 1333 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:49,040 information about the potential uses of 1334 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,119 funds for that measure and some 1335 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,559 potential positive arguments, support 1336 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:56,800 jumped 10 points to 73%. And then we did 1337 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,319 the inverse of that and we presented the 1338 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,960 listener with some potential negative 1339 00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:02,640 arguments. support dropped back down to 1340 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,839 66.4 1341 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,920 right at that twothirds threshold. 1342 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:10,960 On the next slide, we also have a 1343 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,800 summary of the top uses of funds in the 1344 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,000 eyes of voters. Um attracting and 1345 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000 retaining qualified teachers and 1346 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,319 counselors, maintaining hands-on science 1347 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,400 classes, preserving science, tech, 1348 00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:22,559 engineering, and math instruction, and 1349 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,880 so on down the list. Um, these have 1350 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:26,480 certainly been a focus of ours in the in 1351 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,160 the outreach and engagement as we're 1352 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,000 starting to think through uh what a 1353 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,280 measure could fund. And I think it's 1354 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,680 also just kind of helpful to remind 1355 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,520 ourselves, you know, the the big buckets 1356 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:39,920 that a parcel tax could help support in 1357 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:41,920 your schools. Next slide, please. 1358 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,599 Uh here you'll see some of the materials 1359 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,839 that we've been pulling together. Um 1360 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:49,040 we've got a fact sheet, FAQ, and 1361 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:51,040 PowerPoint presentation web page live on 1362 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,640 the district website. Um, all of this 1363 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,839 information is available in in English 1364 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:58,000 and in Spanish. Um, a mail piece went 1365 00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:59,599 out the the door in the last few days. 1366 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,839 You might return to your homes to find 1367 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,160 it in your mailbox. Uh, included in that 1368 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:06,240 is a a brief tear off survey that folks 1369 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,559 can mail back and give some basic 1370 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:09,920 feedback uh about a potential measure. 1371 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,160 Uh, and there's also been some social 1372 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,720 media content as well. Um there's been 1373 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,880 some stakeholder engagement and outreach 1374 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,119 um both to internal stakeholders like 1375 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,680 parents, teachers, and other staff, but 1376 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:23,680 also externally to business groups, 1377 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,359 other civic groups to get a sense of 1378 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,040 where they're at on a potential measure. 1379 00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:28,960 That feedback that's been received has 1380 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,880 been largely positive. That work will 1381 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,640 continue, but thus far there haven't 1382 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,040 really been any red flags that give us 1383 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,599 any pause. Uh and I think the next slide 1384 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,520 just shows a little bit more of the uh 1385 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,559 content that's been sent out. You can 1386 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,240 see it's all branded uh in your district 1387 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,520 colors and and made to look and feel 1388 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,920 like it's coming from you all because it 1389 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,839 is. Uh and we're excited to see the 1390 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,680 feedback that we get specifically from 1391 00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,160 the tear off mailer and the the social 1392 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,480 media content that also directs to an 1393 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,040 online version of the same survey uh 1394 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,680 included in the mailer. 1395 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,960 Next slide, please. So, now for the new 1396 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,200 info, you know, what we need to do uh 1397 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,280 what we recommend doing from now until 1398 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,000 when we bring a potential resolution 1399 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,160 back to you all as a board um to qualify 1400 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,799 for the ballot. Just a quick reminder, 1401 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,799 our deadline to qualify for June is in 1402 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:20,640 early March. So, we are going to have to 1403 00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:22,480 have you all as a board adopt a 1404 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,559 resolution before then so we can make it 1405 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,839 under that March ballot. So this, you 1406 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,079 know, this slide kind of shows what the 1407 00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:29,599 next few months would look like. Uh, if 1408 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:32,000 we, you know, want to keep this process 1409 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:34,319 moving forward first in November, we've 1410 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,160 got that first mailer going out. Like I 1411 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:37,680 said, it went out this week. Could be 1412 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,960 waiting for you when you get home. And 1413 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,760 really, we want to get direction from 1414 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,599 you all as a board on overall structure 1415 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,920 of the measure and whether or not to 1416 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,440 pursue a tracking poll to kind of check 1417 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,760 back in with voters and make sure that 1418 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,640 we're still uh on track for a measure 1419 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,040 next year. Um, following this meeting 1420 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,720 into December, we would do a second mail 1421 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,799 piece really kind of recapping what we 1422 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,480 heard from that survey mailer and giving 1423 00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,240 another opportunity for voters to weigh 1424 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,240 in on a potential measure. And we would 1425 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,319 also be working with the district team 1426 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,240 as well as the consultant team in 1427 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:09,680 drafting that tracking poll should we 1428 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,160 get direction tonight to move forward 1429 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,000 with one with the goal of fielding it in 1430 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,079 January. Right? If we field it in 1431 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,240 January, we'll get data back in time to 1432 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,520 help you make an informed decision. Um, 1433 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,000 while that tracking poll is being 1434 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,559 conducted, we would also do a third mail 1435 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,040 piece uh to to kick off the new year, 1436 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,839 keep voters involved in the process with 1437 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,160 the goal of bringing results to you at 1438 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:33,520 your February 4th meeting uh as well as 1439 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,119 a first reading of a potential 1440 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,440 resolution. That would kind of be a a 1441 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,359 two item evening. First, probably the 1442 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,960 results and then second, our recommended 1443 00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:43,520 language for a measure. And then that 1444 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,440 would leave February 11th uh as your 1445 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,280 last board meeting date before the 1446 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,119 deadline where you would officially vote 1447 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,280 to place the measure on the ballot. Uh 1448 00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:52,880 then after that we do a a final mailer 1449 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,319 to your community just to let them know 1450 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,160 the action you had taken and and give 1451 00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:58,079 them the key dates and information about 1452 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,680 the election. 1453 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:03,760 Next slide please. Now I apologize this 1454 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,319 is a little bit difficult to read but I 1455 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,520 wanted to provide some data to you about 1456 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:12,400 some different revenue scenarios um with 1457 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:15,200 a uh square footage measure. Obviously 1458 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,000 you have that first number which is the 1459 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,720 bottom row in the 17.5 cents per 1460 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000 building square foot with no cap. So if 1461 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,359 you were to put a measure on the ballot 1462 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:29,520 without a cap at 17.5 cents you would 1463 00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:30,880 generate $14.3 million annually. Um, we 1464 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,480 have talked in the past about the 1465 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,799 consideration of a cap. So, we've 1466 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,520 included three different scenarios on 1467 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:39,599 this slide. I will say we are not wedded 1468 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,119 to any of these three. A cap can be any 1469 00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:43,839 number that you choose, but we chose 1470 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:45,440 three that kind of display what what 1471 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:47,520 happens when you put a cap on the 1472 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,079 measure. You'll see first that if we 1473 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:53,200 were to keep that same 17.5 cent per 1474 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:55,839 square foot rate and put a $5,000 cap on 1475 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,240 it, meaning any one parcel could not pay 1476 00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:02,559 more than $5,000, you see that your 1477 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:06,079 revenue drops annually to 11.4 million. 1478 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:07,920 If that cap is reduced to $2,500, your 1479 01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:10,240 revenue drops another million bucks to 1480 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,200 10.4. Uh, and then if you were to put a 1481 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,599 $1,000 cap, your revenue drops to just 1482 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,640 over $9 million. just to give you a 1483 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:20,960 sense of the scale there. Um, I will say 1484 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,680 there are not a lot of parcels that 1485 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,599 would meet these caps. Um, I think at 1486 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,200 the Let me just pull up the exact 1487 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:31,520 numbers here for you. Yeah, at the 1488 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:33,760 $1,000 rate you would have 1,469 1489 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,040 parcels that hit hit your cap. At the 1490 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,680 $2,500 rate, you'd have 597 and at the 1491 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,559 $5,000 rate you'd have 281. Just to give 1492 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,319 you a sense of of scale there. And then 1493 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:46,720 so on this last slide, I I promise to 1494 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:48,960 keep it to 10 minutes. Um just wanted to 1495 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,480 kind of outline the direction that we're 1496 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,720 really looking to get from you all 1497 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:55,760 tonight to kind of help you know spur on 1498 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:57,599 the discussion. First and foremost, um 1499 01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,000 is there desire to do a tracking poll 1500 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:01,440 and tracking research? If so, you know, 1501 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,799 as you've seen in that timeline, we got 1502 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,720 to get moving pretty soon. And I should 1503 01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:06,480 mention that Brian Gabby from God 1504 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,400 research is on Zoom tonight and happy to 1505 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,839 answer any questions about that. Uh and 1506 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,400 then also just wanted to get some some 1507 01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:15,440 more direction from you all on overall 1508 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,200 measure structure. So tax rate um 1509 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,040 whether or not to include a sunset. 1510 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,799 You'll remember the polling that we 1511 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,319 tested did not include a sunset, but 1512 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:24,480 it's our recommendation that we do 1513 01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:26,240 include one because we saw it was the 1514 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,160 number one potential negative argument 1515 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,200 against your measure. And then also 1516 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,640 whether or not to include a cap. And um 1517 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,000 before I kick back to you all for 1518 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,839 questions and discussion, just to 1519 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,480 clarify, this direction we're looking 1520 01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:41,119 for is really so that we can design a 1521 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,119 poll if we decide to do it uh with some 1522 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:46,160 parameters to give you some data to make 1523 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,599 your ultimate decision. Um so with that, 1524 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,960 I'm I'm happy to answer any questions 1525 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:50,799 you might have. 1526 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,280 >> All right. Thank you, Jeremy. Um I 1527 01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:54,480 propose that we have discussion and 1528 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,839 questions right now and then we'll go 1529 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,119 back around and give Jeremy the 1530 01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,799 direction that we want to do. that way 1531 01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,040 everybody can have a chance to hear um 1532 01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:02,640 the discussion before like settling on 1533 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,480 what their direction is unless you know 1534 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,640 you're firmly committed to one direction 1535 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,440 or another and want to suit it up first. 1536 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:13,000 Um would anyone like to start with 1537 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,000 questions discussion? 1538 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,640 Yeah, thanks. 1539 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,319 >> Um I think probably less for Jeremy and 1540 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,119 more for us discussing including Dr. 1541 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:24,240 Baker and Rickme 1542 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:26,559 just in terms of the tracking pole is 1543 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,680 is there a scenario 1544 01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:31,760 where we don't want to pursue this? I 1545 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,200 guess so like what what would the 1546 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,440 outcome of a tracking bull have to be 1547 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,520 for us to say no thank you we will not 1548 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,720 proceed. 1549 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,520 >> It would definitely need to be those 1550 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,240 percentages going down. Yeah. more so 1551 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,079 than anything 1552 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,119 >> I guess to what 1553 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,160 >> you know and and what 1554 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,839 >> to what degree 1555 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,440 >> what concerns me is that this was done 1556 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:51,040 during the summer at this point in time 1557 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,640 it was done during the summer I don't 1558 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,319 know and Rick and I were speaking about 1559 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,880 Rick and I were speaking about this I 1560 01:02:54,319 --> 01:03:01,359 think it was today or yesterday they're 1561 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:03,760 all rolling into one um in regard to you 1562 01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:05,599 know the economy and so forth and had 1563 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,160 that had a is that going to have a play 1564 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,680 on this or not and throughout that 1565 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,880 discussion we kind of determined maybe 1566 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,119 it wouldn't 1567 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:18,000 And so that was one piece. The other 1568 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:20,799 piece is that I um had a visit from a 1569 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,920 board member who was on the board many 1570 01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:25,920 many many years ago, Margaret Marshall. 1571 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,079 I'm sure no one here remembers that 1572 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,039 name. Maybe 1573 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:32,319 right. Yeah. 1574 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,839 >> Um and pleasantly she came in and I was 1575 01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:35,520 wondering I asked Evelyn, "She's on the 1576 01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:39,920 she's on my calendar. What's what's this 1577 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:42,720 about?" And um so Margaret remembers 1578 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:46,160 when I was in the classroom and we had 1579 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:48,799 this conversation and she and she's very 1580 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,760 um involved with the seniors and so 1581 01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:53,760 forth in Redwood City you and her 1582 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,119 children and her grandchildren have all 1583 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,599 gone through the Redwood City School 1584 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:03,520 District and amazing woman for her for 1585 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:06,079 her age and just I was totally amazed. 1586 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,760 um said, "Would you come and talk to the 1587 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:09,119 senior cit senior citizens group about 1588 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,240 this?" And I said, "Of course I would." 1589 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,920 Cuz they were talking. She goes, "Well, 1590 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,000 I know the superintendent. I'll go get 1591 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,079 him to come." So that was our that was 1592 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:21,200 our our our meeting. And um she is 1593 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,280 definitely one who has always been 1594 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,599 supportive of the Redwood City School 1595 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:28,480 District, always. 1596 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:30,240 And um said, you know, I want, you know, 1597 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,079 yes, we know there are exemptions for 1598 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,680 seniors, but people should not have to 1599 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:35,920 take an exemption. not unless they 1600 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,200 really need to and most of us do not 1601 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:41,039 need to take and she went on and on 1602 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:43,839 about that. But um I guess where I'm my 1603 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:46,880 thoughts are coming is in regard to this 1604 01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:48,559 poll because she asked me the question, 1605 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,000 "When did you do the polling?" It was it 1606 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,680 was in the summer, wasn't it? And I go, 1607 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,240 "Yes." And she goes, "Do you know what 1608 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:56,960 people are thinking now?" And it got me 1609 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,440 to think, I don't know. I would have to 1610 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:02,079 go back to what you just showed again. 1611 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,480 And that's where we were. are are is our 1612 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:07,680 community still in that ballpark? I know 1613 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,280 our a lot of our parents are, but the 1614 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,280 rest of the community and the percentage 1615 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,760 of parents that we have compared to 1616 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,280 those that are not parents and do like 1617 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,520 the Raven City School District have 1618 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,440 other issues with us. Who knows? 1619 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,799 >> I guess 1620 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,400 with that, I'm trying to make sure that 1621 01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:26,319 I'm not advocating for anything. Um, I 1622 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,160 guess for me it seems like there's a 1623 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:30,799 pretty high need based on the situation 1624 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,720 that we're currently finding ourselves 1625 01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:34,880 meetings yesterday for example that 1626 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,799 where additional revenue would be 1627 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:40,720 particularly helpful. And I um I guess I 1628 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:42,640 I I love data. I love information when 1629 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,880 it's helpful, but only in so far as it, 1630 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,680 you know, changes the the decision. And 1631 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:50,079 it seems to me even if we get a a result 1632 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:53,359 back that says it's gone down by even 1633 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:55,440 say 10 percentage points like does that 1634 01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,640 change our answer like or does that 1635 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,599 change the approach of 1636 01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,680 >> Jeremy if it went down by 10 it it 1637 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:04,000 frankly probably would because we we'd 1638 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,839 be looking at after negatives being at 1639 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:10,960 56% yes to be clear I don't expect a 1640 01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:12,559 poll to say that per se. Um, but like 1641 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,359 you, I'm always a fan of having more 1642 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:17,280 data rather than less. And I think also 1643 01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:19,839 if we are considering any structural 1644 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,520 changes, the biggest one being the cap, 1645 01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:23,440 I would much rather have data back on 1646 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,400 that than not to help make the decision, 1647 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:28,640 right? And doing a poll isn't committing 1648 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,319 you to definitely going on the ballot or 1649 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,720 definitely not or definitely including a 1650 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:35,359 cap or not, but it's helping you make a 1651 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,039 more informed decision um once we come 1652 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,760 back to you with a resolution in in 1653 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,760 February. 1654 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,119 >> Yeah. And Jeremy, if I could add to 1655 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:45,760 that, um, a couple things. One, the 1656 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:48,559 ballot question changes 1657 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,160 because of the sunset. Um, because we 1658 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:52,319 didn't have that in there before, and 1659 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,480 and most of the attorneys have said you 1660 01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:56,720 have to put reference to the sunset in 1661 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,480 the 75 words, which takes away from 1662 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,400 other things that we might want to have 1663 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,599 in there. So, it is a material change in 1664 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,920 the ballot question. Uh two, if you know 1665 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,559 you're absolutely going to be on the 1666 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,280 ballot no matter what, well then it 1667 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:13,440 probably doesn't matter as much, but 1668 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,599 remember you don't have to be on the 1669 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,559 ballot in June this year. You can also 1670 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:20,000 be on the ballot in November. So, we 1671 01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:23,280 want to win. And what we don't want to 1672 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:26,880 do is plan a two-step strategy where we 1673 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,720 go forward without being somewhat blind 1674 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,880 uh and then have to do it all over again 1675 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,280 in November because that's really hard 1676 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:36,799 to do. So we want to win the first time 1677 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:40,000 around. Hopefully that's in June. Um but 1678 01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:44,000 uh not necessarily. And with respect to 1679 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:46,480 the economy, um I just finished a survey 1680 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,839 where the the the 1681 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:51,359 where do you think the economy is going 1682 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:53,280 to be next year? The worst response is 1683 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:56,799 in the mid60s. 1684 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,720 I have never ever seen it that high. And 1685 01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:02,400 that's in a fairly affluent school 1686 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:06,720 district in Marin County. 1687 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:09,039 I mean, it's literally off the charts. 1688 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,119 So, so I think there are some material 1689 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,039 differences to say nothing about the 1690 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:15,920 general political climate, which is, you 1691 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:17,839 know, insane. Um, and all those I think 1692 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,679 are good reasons to be doing a survey. 1693 01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:22,080 Obviously, I'm the survey research guy, 1694 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:25,279 so um, you know, I have a bias towards 1695 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:27,759 that. But, um, but I think I think we're 1696 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:30,640 not in a normal climate on multiple 1697 01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:32,319 levels. It sounds like there's the 1698 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,239 variance of an opinions on the degree 1699 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:38,799 here to which we might drop 10 points. 1700 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:42,000 Um, but even so, I I I don't know. To 1701 01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,080 me, that informs more so the rigor of 1702 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:47,120 effort on the back end than it does 1703 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,040 necessarily on decision. But I I I don't 1704 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,759 know. This is just my spit pulling. 1705 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,520 Curious further's thoughts. 1706 01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:56,159 >> I mean, on on that topic, I think we 1707 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,600 just need to kind of figure out like as 1708 01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,759 a board what would be our risk 1709 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,199 tolerance, right? you know um you know 1710 01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,920 are we would we be comfortable going 1711 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:06,480 forward based upon the current data that 1712 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:09,520 we have without getting more um you know 1713 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:11,040 I sort of felt like yeah I don't know I 1714 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,199 don't know if things have significantly 1715 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,359 changed since in the environment since 1716 01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,960 the um obviously there's uncertainty but 1717 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,279 there was a lot of uncertainty then too 1718 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,719 in fact the poll then had very high 1719 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,440 numbers for they're expecting the 1720 01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:25,359 economy to be worse um in the future and 1721 01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:27,839 yet there was still this a lot of 1722 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:29,520 support in there um it sounds like the 1723 01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:31,040 thing that I wasn't thinking about is 1724 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,199 and so I was wondering like what are the 1725 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:35,359 key questions that a new poll would 1726 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:38,080 answer for us that we don't already have 1727 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:39,440 from our baseline poll. Um I wasn't 1728 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,560 thinking about the change in the ballot 1729 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:46,400 language um and whether and how how that 1730 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,759 might need to be tested again. Um 1731 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,679 you know I feel like there were enough 1732 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:51,759 variance in the baseline poll that it 1733 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:54,400 might have been covered there too. Uh 1734 01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,920 and so yeah I mean I think it's I think 1735 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,880 that's the right question. And so then I 1736 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:02,000 look at it as just like does a does a 1737 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,640 poll lower our risk profile, you know, 1738 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:08,400 in terms of our risk tolerance? I'm not 1739 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:11,120 even totally sure it does. Yeah. So 1740 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,520 it's uncertain to me that it's um yeah, 1741 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,520 totally necessary. 1742 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:21,280 >> Yeah. I think for me it would be some 1743 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:23,840 theory that the world had changed 1744 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,239 meaningfully enough that it was now 1745 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,199 fairly likely that we were going to need 1746 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:31,679 to pull back from shooting for June and 1747 01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:34,400 we need some confirmatory bit of data 1748 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:35,760 that we either were living in a universe 1749 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,360 where it was going to be very unlikely 1750 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,159 for it to pass and yeah, we should pull 1751 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,080 it or no actually it's not as bad as we 1752 01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:45,679 thought and and stay the course, charge 1753 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:48,159 ahead. Um I I'm not sure. I've yet been 1754 01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:50,320 presented with enough convincing data 1755 01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:52,080 that the world is very meaningfully 1756 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,120 different from when we did the last 1757 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,520 tracking poll that uh that it would 1758 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,520 necessitate the the expenditure and and 1759 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,760 the extra time to to go out and do an 1760 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,600 extra round of polling. That's it's not 1761 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,600 something I feel super strongly about. 1762 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,360 So I'm I'm persuadable on the topic if 1763 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,159 people feel like we need we need the 1764 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,679 checkpoint. 1765 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,600 And just one other thing, if the world 1766 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:17,199 has changed that much since the baseline 1767 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,800 poll in today, like is it yes, January 1768 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,320 to June might might have some difference 1769 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,840 in there, too. And again, I'm not I 1770 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,120 don't have a I don't have a super strong 1771 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,960 opinion here on it. I I but that that is 1772 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,679 kind of 1773 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,600 soon. 1774 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:33,360 >> Well, I guess um my question would be 1775 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:36,000 more for the experts like should we go 1776 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,480 for another tracking pool or not? Like 1777 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,400 is it going to be make a big difference? 1778 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:42,800 We also don't want to risk it, but at 1779 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:45,280 the same time, you know, the the 1780 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,920 financial situation the district is in. 1781 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,840 Um, I think one of the biggest things is 1782 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,679 people do have to remember senior 1783 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,640 citizens are exempted from partial 1784 01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:57,040 taxes. So maybe that would be a selling 1785 01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,199 point. Um, but again, I don't I just 1786 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,199 don't know how much. 1787 01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:04,159 >> Yeah, I'm happy to answer that. I would 1788 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:05,520 say if the plan, it really depends on 1789 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:07,120 the other direction we get tonight to be 1790 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,520 honest because if the plan is to change 1791 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:12,000 nothing about what we tested in the last 1792 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,920 poll, then sure, we could probably make 1793 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,480 an informed decision early next year 1794 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,960 based on the data that you have. But if 1795 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:22,719 there is a desire to make a structural 1796 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:25,600 change or even explore one, i.e. really 1797 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:26,880 put a cap on the measure that we would 1798 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,199 have to do research for that because 1799 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,000 that does fundamentally change your 1800 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:34,640 ballot language. It's ironic. It would 1801 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,800 not change the tax implication for any 1802 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,800 of your voters because the cap, as I 1803 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,960 alluded to, affects just your largest 1804 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,960 property owners, but we've seen time and 1805 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,679 again from research that when you 1806 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,679 include that extra dollar amount in your 1807 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:50,239 ballot question, it impacts voter 1808 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:52,080 support. So really I think it comes down 1809 01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:53,920 to your direction on the other items we 1810 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,920 talked about tonight. Um and if you want 1811 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,000 to explore looking at a cap, not even 1812 01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:00,719 commit to one, then we absolutely need 1813 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,800 to do polling to explore that. 1814 01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:05,600 >> Uh let's let's discuss thoughts on CAP. 1815 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:08,159 Um by the way, can uh could you share 1816 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,520 like um experiences from other districts 1817 01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,199 with CAPS? Like what have they done and 1818 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,800 how has that affected their polling? Are 1819 01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,960 there are there any other prior prior 1820 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,040 art that we could learn from? Yeah, 1821 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,800 there there's a lot of districts that in 1822 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:22,560 include caps. Um, Alama Unified is the 1823 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,719 biggest example because they kind of set 1824 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:27,760 the case law on this type of measure, 1825 01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:29,520 but we also passed two last year for uh 1826 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,080 Berlingame School District, their cap, I 1827 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,800 believe, was $7,500 and Mountain View 1828 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:37,199 Wisman, their cap was 25. We also did 1829 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,840 pass one for Albany Unified without a 1830 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:42,960 cap. Uh, as well as Berkeley Unified 1831 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:46,000 without a cap. Um what we generally see 1832 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,560 in the polling is that including a cap 1833 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,080 actually depresses support early on 1834 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,000 because frankly it's just a little bit 1835 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,080 more confusing of a ballot question to 1836 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,400 read. But that once you are have the 1837 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,719 opportunity to explain to the voter the 1838 01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,040 intention and design behind the measure 1839 01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:03,679 and the uses of funds, support usually 1840 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,000 rebounds pretty quickly. So um we've 1841 01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:07,920 looked at it apples to apples um in 1842 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,560 multiple districts before and and it's 1843 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,640 been a pretty consistent finding. It 1844 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,920 doesn't sound to me like adding a cap 1845 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,080 will be the make or break that will 1846 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:19,600 likely get this past the finish line. 1847 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:21,360 >> No, the reason to add a cap is because 1848 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,719 if you've got a business owner or a 1849 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,239 large property owner who says 1850 01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:24,560 >> they would back an ad campaign against 1851 01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:25,040 it. 1852 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,480 >> Exactly. 1853 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,159 >> And how far conversations with the 1854 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:31,679 Chamber of Commerce been going? 1855 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:34,560 >> So Amy has been um we have been meeting 1856 01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:36,400 about this and she the last slide you 1857 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,360 showed with the information that's what 1858 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:45,040 I need for her next. um she's kind of 1859 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:47,679 hesitant right now uh with the cap and 1860 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,600 I will not say what she said to me at 1861 01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:51,679 the meeting on Friday where I was on the 1862 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,280 panel. Um but she says if you can get 1863 01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:56,400 that information to me sooner than later 1864 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:58,560 and then we have the numbers that you 1865 01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,440 have in regard to the properties and the 1866 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:05,920 apartment buildings and a couple other 1867 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:08,239 st and Stanford um that will help us uh 1868 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,880 help me get the information to her. so 1869 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:13,199 she can start moving this pathway and 1870 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,199 give me a yay or a nay on it. 1871 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:17,600 >> That sounds like pretty important 1872 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:18,159 information for this process. 1873 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,840 >> Yep. 1874 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,760 >> Okay. 1875 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,080 >> I mean, in terms I'm just thinking about 1876 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,800 what we're trying to decide today. And I 1877 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:29,199 guess my view is we should have these we 1878 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,760 should get more details on the cap, but 1879 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,520 I don't know if that necessarily 1880 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,520 the majority of our voting I assume is 1881 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,920 going to be done I hope it's going to be 1882 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:40,560 done by like constituents and individual 1883 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:42,480 people. Um and I have full faith that 1884 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,159 the Redwood City community backs 1885 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:46,159 education. So it sounds like the 1886 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:49,040 question is really what is the degree to 1887 01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:51,280 which we anticipate there being um 1888 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,800 formalized push back from the business 1889 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,080 community and that seems more of a 1890 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,880 I don't I don't know if we need a 1891 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,239 tracking poll for that part like that's 1892 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,040 more of just we need to hash this out 1893 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,640 and have that discussion um and we're 1894 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,840 not making decisions today on what the 1895 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,360 structure are right 1896 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,080 >> and then we also want to have a chamber 1897 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,760 supported 1898 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:13,679 >> yeah yes yes chamber support A+ chamber 1899 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,159 not against good 1900 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,679 Yeah. 1901 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:18,000 >> Okay. I just want I want to ask one 1902 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:19,520 clarifying thing um actually to Jeremy 1903 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,280 just so we know what we're discussing 1904 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,080 tonight. I think that we're just 1905 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,520 discussing um whether we want to do a 1906 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,960 tracking poll and what the parameters 1907 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,560 are that would go into that tracking 1908 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,000 poll. We're not actually making any 1909 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,320 decision about what we're doing going 1910 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,600 forward. Yeah. Okay. And if I can take 1911 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,600 that clarifying question and run with 1912 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,520 this a little bit, one way we could 1913 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,120 structure this poll would be similar to 1914 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,600 the last poll where we would employ a 1915 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:44,159 split sample methodology where half of 1916 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,320 the respondents heard more or less the 1917 01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:48,880 same measure they heard last time, 17 1918 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,800 cents per square foot, no cap. The other 1919 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,280 half could hear a measure that included 1920 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,760 a cap. And you could compare the two 1921 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,280 apples to apples in real time, right? 1922 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,960 And the reason you're doing that is not 1923 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,120 to check in with the business community. 1924 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:05,679 The reason you're doing that is to get a 1925 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:08,159 read of, okay, if on February 4th, the 1926 01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:09,360 chamber lines up 10 speakers to come to 1927 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:11,199 this podium and say, "We're going to 1928 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,800 oppose this unless you put a cap on it." 1929 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,679 Well, now we have data that tells us 1930 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,159 what the impact of that cap being on the 1931 01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:19,440 on the measure has in the community with 1932 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,679 people who are actually voting on it, 1933 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:23,679 right? So, it's it's admittedly 1934 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:27,600 convoluted because again, the cap 1935 01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:29,280 impacts not one voter, not one resident, 1936 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,960 but they are still the ones reading the 1937 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,960 ballot question and interpreting it with 1938 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:35,280 the data that's presented to them. Which 1939 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,120 is why if there's any consideration, I 1940 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,640 say we certainly should do some polling 1941 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,320 just to give you the data, right? You 1942 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,880 could get the polling back and say, 1943 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,159 look, the data is compelling to us. We 1944 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,920 want to move forward with the measure 1945 01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:50,360 without a cap. And now you have an 1946 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,360 answer to say as to why you did that. 1947 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,960 Uh any any other questions around the 1948 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,960 cap? Um I also wanted to just have a 1949 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,480 quick discussion around sunset if uh 1950 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:06,880 people have questions around the cap. 1951 01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:08,080 Done. Um okay. Uh, could you um we we I 1952 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,679 know we talked about this when we went 1953 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:14,320 through the poll results um before, but 1954 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:15,600 um the sunset was the other one that we 1955 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,520 were going to look at to see because we 1956 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,640 did the until ended by voters I think 1957 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:22,880 from the original one. Um I think you 1958 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,400 were recommending eight years even 1959 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,960 though our like our current measures are 1960 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,120 14 like what is state-of-the-art for the 1961 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,280 amount of time that if we were to go for 1962 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,760 a sunset and what's sort of 1963 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:38,080 >> again like in other situations how have 1964 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,440 you seen sunsets affect poll results um 1965 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:43,120 >> and and and actually ballot outcomes. 1966 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,800 >> I'll start and I'd love to get to Brian 1967 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,000 because he has data that kind of backs 1968 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,560 this up. I mean, I would say most 1969 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,360 commonly the sunsets that we see are 1970 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,520 between seven and nine years. And that 1971 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,000 really comes down to these psychological 1972 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,719 thresholds. Same way that you know stuff 1973 01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,800 is priced at Target as 1995 instead of 1974 01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:02,640 20 bucks, right? But um so typically we 1975 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,080 see 7 to nine years. Brian, if you want 1976 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,280 to speak to that a little bit more what 1977 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,640 you've seen in the research when it 1978 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,199 comes to sunsets. 1979 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:12,159 >> Yeah. Uh Jeremy's absolutely right. Just 1980 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:14,480 like t tax rates and things you buy at 1981 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:17,440 Target, there are psychological ceilings 1982 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:22,159 and those are for for dollar amounts, 1983 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:26,719 it's 1995 versus $20. Uh for the 1984 01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:30,000 duration, it is uh a below 10-year 1985 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:32,159 number. So 9 years, 9 months. You 1986 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,920 wouldn't do that probably, but uh 9 1987 01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:38,000 years will test substantially better 1988 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:40,159 than 10. 10 will be the same as 12. Um, 1989 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,679 so, so that's the first psychological 1990 01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:47,199 ceiling. The next one is at the 20-year 1991 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:50,320 mark, 1920. So, 19 does better than 20. 1992 01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:54,560 Um, the exception to that is until ended 1993 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:58,080 by voters, which always does better than 1994 01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:01,280 any of the double-digit durations 1995 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,440 because it gives voters the perception 1996 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:05,679 that they have all the control, which 1997 01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:08,640 they actually do, but it reinforces 1998 01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:12,719 that. whereas 19 years sounds like it's 1999 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:16,080 set in stone forever uh from most voters 2000 01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:18,080 perspective. So if you don't do until 2001 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:21,120 ended by voters, anything in the teens 2002 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:24,080 probably won't work. Uh but you have to 2003 01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:26,480 go back into the d the single digit uh 2004 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:29,040 duration that Jeremy was suggesting, 2005 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:32,080 seven years, eight years uh in in that 2006 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:35,719 time frame uh to make up what you lose 2007 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,719 in the the teens. 2008 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:42,480 Okay. And uh I was just trying to remind 2009 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,159 myself when measure U ends. I think 2010 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:47,199 measure U ends in 2027. 2011 01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:48,080 >> I think it's 2012 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,199 >> 2031. 2013 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,440 >> 2031. 2014 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:53,120 >> 2031. And it's because that was a 14 2015 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,600 year. 14 year. Okay. 2016 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,640 >> Yeah. 2017 01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:01,239 >> Right. Um anyone have questions, 2018 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,239 comments about um Sunset? 2019 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,040 All right. So, I think we're trying to 2020 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,280 give direction here around whether we 2021 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:12,239 think we want to do whe whether we want 2022 01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:16,640 to change the ballot language um to test 2023 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:17,920 a cap um to test a sunset, you know, 2024 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,600 whether we want to change the ballot 2025 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,760 language on there. And then if we do 2026 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,040 think we are we're considering changing 2027 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,679 the ballot language, that's something 2028 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,440 that we'd want to do come February. Um 2029 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:31,440 do we want to start going down the path 2030 01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:33,679 of a of a tracking poll? Um before we do 2031 01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:36,880 that, Jeremy, um can you help us 2032 01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:39,040 understand when 2033 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,120 like is there a way to do this in two 2034 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,199 phases? So for example, can we give Dr. 2035 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,640 Baker like a couple weeks to get more 2036 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,719 information from the Chamber of Commerce 2037 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,239 of whether or not there's that feedback 2038 01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:49,920 about a cap because that would really 2039 01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:52,159 help. I I think that would help the 2040 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,320 board, you know, in their thinking about 2041 01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:56,080 whether we want to even p whether we 2042 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,760 think we need to pursue a cap or not. So 2043 01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,320 I'm wondering like is there a way to say 2044 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,760 maybe prepare to do a tracking poll but 2045 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,800 then maybe we don't go out and execute 2046 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:06,560 on it um as a and to step back you know 2047 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,159 just last night we were doing budget 2048 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,920 reduction committee meetings and things 2049 01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,840 like that. So I think top of mind for 2050 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,560 everybody is are we making a wise 2051 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,159 expenditure here um in the knowledge of 2052 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,400 knowing that 2053 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:20,320 >> um we have a baseline poll that seems 2054 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,520 pretty strong. Uh the external 2055 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,480 environment and I don't mean to speak 2056 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:26,000 for everybody so just um you know debate 2057 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,600 with me if you disagree. You know the 2058 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,760 external environment feels about the 2059 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:32,400 same as when we did the baseline poll. 2060 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:34,400 >> Um and we're looking down you know the 2061 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,400 line where even just last night there 2062 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:39,520 were line items on there for just even 2063 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,960 $10,000 of savings. Um, so we just, you 2064 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,639 know, we're trying to keep that in mind 2065 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,679 as we're making this decision. 2066 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:47,440 >> Totally get that. Um, and yes, we could, 2067 01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:50,159 and we don't have a lot of time, but we 2068 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:52,960 could wait a little bit longer. But what 2069 01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:55,199 I will say is that by the time that we 2070 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,120 have to pull the trigger on a poll, 2071 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:59,199 >> we're going to have to do it in, you 2072 01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,679 know, make that decision in December, 2073 01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:04,000 right? And even if we go forth or decide 2074 01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:06,320 not to go forth with a poll, your 2075 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,600 opponents have any time in the calendar 2076 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,880 to come to you and say we're going to 2077 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,280 oppose this if you don't put a cap in 2078 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,040 it. Right? So, um there's just always 2079 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,960 going to be inherent risk, right? Like 2080 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,560 if if we didn't do a poll and we just 2081 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,920 said we're going to come back to you on 2082 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:21,760 February 11th at your board meeting and 2083 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,440 bring you a resolution without a cap and 2084 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,920 the business community reaches out on 2085 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:28,639 February 5th and says, "Well, we want 2086 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:32,480 one." Well, now we don't know. Right? 2087 01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:35,280 So, you know, this maybe it's a maybe 2088 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:37,199 being too riskaverse, but to me, if it's 2089 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,719 either even under consideration, I' I'd 2090 01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:40,639 much rather have data to help back up 2091 01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:43,199 the answer, right? And and it's not to 2092 01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:44,960 be clear, we're likely to see that 2093 01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:47,199 including a cap on your measure is going 2094 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:49,520 to decrease support, right? That is 2095 01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:50,880 likely to be the finding. That's that's 2096 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,280 helpful to a point. What we're really 2097 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,679 looking at is does it decrease it enough 2098 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,400 that it's not feasible or does it 2099 01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:00,800 decrease it to a point where we're right 2100 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,239 at 2/3 but we still have support for a 2101 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,120 measure. Right? Because that's helpful 2102 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,440 data as well. 2103 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,800 >> Yeah. And the last last question is can 2104 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:10,320 you and this might be a question for 2105 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:12,560 Brian but ballpark I'm not asking for a 2106 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,239 quote like a ballpark cost for what the 2107 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,600 tracking poll would be. 2108 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:17,760 >> I I will definitely kick that to you 2109 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:21,199 Brian. Yeah. Uh we actually did provide 2110 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:24,159 that to uh Superintendent Baker and that 2111 01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:27,920 for a 22minut survey which is shorter 2112 01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:29,440 than the baseline and also uh 400 2113 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,360 interviews which is fewer than the 2114 01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:34,480 baseline as well because we're trying to 2115 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:37,440 save money with Spanish translation and 2116 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:40,440 interviewing is about $38,000. 2117 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,440 >> Okay. 2118 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:47,920 >> More information. More information. Um, 2119 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,920 and then before the board starts 2120 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,280 discussing the direction, I don't Dr. 2121 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,639 Baker, did you want to chime in with 2122 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,239 what your thoughts are? I think I sort 2123 01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,600 of heard an opinion from you earlier, 2124 01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,280 but I don't want to I don't want to read 2125 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,679 into that without you having a chance 2126 01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,560 to. 2127 01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:04,560 >> The thing that I'm concerned about is a 2128 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:06,719 is the cap. And I know um when Amy and I 2129 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,800 spoke last week, she's kind of concerned 2130 01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:10,719 about it, too. We didn't get into great 2131 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,639 detail because I was part of a panel and 2132 01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:15,199 this was during the time when I was it 2133 01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:16,480 was a break time and she goes, "I need 2134 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:18,400 these numbers. Give me these numbers." 2135 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:21,920 And so I've got the slide now that I can 2136 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,840 share with her. Um, 2137 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,360 and I've got the information from our 2138 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,320 previous conversations on the districts 2139 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:30,560 that have gone forward with a cap and 2140 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:34,320 have been successful in those that, you 2141 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:36,400 know, they put it on and they quite 2142 01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,920 successful and those that didn't and 2143 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:41,120 then they were successful also. So, um, 2144 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,960 that's the only thing that bothers me is 2145 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,280 is the cap piece. And when I saw the 2146 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:49,320 numbers in there, 2147 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,320 I don't know. um when you 2148 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,679 even a small business and I'm thinking 2149 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,199 some of our small businesses who are 2150 01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:59,280 very vocal in the chamber are always 2151 01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:00,960 supportive of the support supportive of 2152 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,760 the school district but I could see some 2153 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,880 of them coming at us but they're small 2154 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:09,280 they're small 2155 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,960 yeah I mean as a defensive measure it 2156 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,639 seems you know in the same way that 2157 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,159 putting a sunset in because that was the 2158 01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:16,320 number one negative that seems like it 2159 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:19,920 could be a negative and an easy way to 2160 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:22,560 to mitigate against it. Um I guess it's 2161 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:29,400 still the question of the need need the 2162 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:29,400 additional data for that. Um okay so 2163 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,360 how are people feeling about a tracking 2164 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,360 poll? 2165 01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:44,480 >> Are we waiting for Dr. Baker to meet 2166 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,000 with the chamber before 2167 01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:48,159 >> within the next we can do it within the 2168 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,719 next two weeks and I I have figures now 2169 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:53,840 and I have information from Rick that I 2170 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:55,120 can show her deadline this year. 2171 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,040 >> Well, it's got to be sooner because 2172 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,679 break's coming and 2173 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,760 >> I'm definitely not here. Um, so we have 2174 01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:04,000 to have it before then. You know that 2175 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,960 that's that's she will probably work 2176 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:09,040 really diligently to get me an answer, 2177 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,560 >> you know. So, 2178 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,080 >> so let let's play through the scenario 2179 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,239 real fast. If they were to come back and 2180 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,840 say, "Yes, we want to put a cap on it." 2181 01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:19,840 Um, would we want to, you know, like we 2182 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,520 we think that it should be on there, how 2183 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,840 would you feel, do you feel like the 2184 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,320 measure should go in the direction of 2185 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,760 including a sunset as well? Um, I just 2186 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,360 I'm just what I'm trying to figure out 2187 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,880 is like if we were to change the 2188 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,800 measure, like how are we thinking about 2189 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,639 changing it? Because if we're right now 2190 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,239 saying like we're not going to change it 2191 01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:37,920 at all, I mean that might be one one 2192 01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,280 answer. we might be done tonight and not 2193 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,560 have to continue on the discussion. But 2194 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,280 if we're thinking like maybe we'd want 2195 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,000 to put a sunset on then, you know, or 2196 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,600 that kind of thing. 2197 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,760 >> My brothers would be to have it as clean 2198 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,840 and simple as possible so we can put as 2199 01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:52,719 much of the impact language in there 2200 01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,400 versus the asterisk language in there. 2201 01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:56,639 >> Okay. 2202 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,080 I think the language did it I need to 2203 01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:59,920 look at it. Did the language say until 2204 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,120 ended by voters? 2205 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:03,679 >> Uh yes, it did. 2206 01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,960 >> Yeah. So the language has the the sunset 2207 01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:07,920 till ended by voters or for eight years. 2208 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,440 >> Yeah. 2209 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:12,880 >> Tell ended by voters. 2210 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:14,480 >> No, that means no sunset versus um for 2211 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,000 eight years or something like that if it 2212 01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:17,600 had a sunset. So I don't think it it 2213 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,520 doesn't change. 2214 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,760 >> Yeah. It doesn't take out the the impact 2215 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,120 language. 2216 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,880 >> Well, but there's a fixed number of 2217 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,000 words. So every new word you put in, you 2218 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,920 have to take out another word, 2219 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:31,520 >> right? You take out until ended by 2220 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:33,120 voters and put in for eight years. Yeah. 2221 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,480 Except for in the large book. 2222 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,800 >> Yeah, the book. 2223 01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:38,400 >> I think for me it 2224 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,840 is funny maybe coming from a lawyer 2225 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:43,040 maybe my risk tolerance is a little bit 2226 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:47,360 higher than others. I mean I would 2227 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:48,880 rather us spend time figuring out 2228 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,159 through discussions with chamber like 2229 01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,679 what their what their general thinking 2230 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:55,760 is. Uh, I don't I I don't feel like 2231 01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:58,080 we're gonna that I need to get material 2232 01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,000 information that's going to change what 2233 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:03,360 the approach should be from a tracking 2234 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,920 poll. Um, so sorry, I'm going kind of to 2235 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,320 that direction. 2236 01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,560 >> Yeah. 2237 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:08,320 >> But like like David Weekly, my my 2238 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,520 starting point is, you know, I should 2239 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:13,280 keep I would love to keep it as simple 2240 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,239 as possible with no sunset, no cap, etc. 2241 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,840 for multiple reasons. 2242 01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:21,719 >> All right. Um, Cecilia, how are you 2243 01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,719 feeling about a tracking poll? 2244 01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:30,080 I'm kind of at the fence because at the 2245 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,920 you know we already did it yet I'm a 2246 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,480 little hesitant because the experts are 2247 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:40,600 saying it might be a good idea if we go 2248 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:40,600 with the cap in a sunset right um 2249 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:46,560 I guess depending on the conversation 2250 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:50,600 the Dr. Baker is going to have with the 2251 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,600 chamber. Um, 2252 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:57,199 I guess it depends on the answer. I 2253 01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:02,080 mean, I'm fine going without a tracking 2254 01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:04,560 pool, but if there's some hesitant where 2255 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,480 maybe just to do things right, we have 2256 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,560 to, then 2257 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:10,960 we would. 2258 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,560 Um, 2259 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:16,719 but I guess for right now I would say 2260 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:18,080 too we don't have to. 2261 01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,520 >> David. 2262 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,400 >> Yeah. 2263 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:25,440 >> Uh, yes. 2264 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:28,880 >> Yes. I don't think that at this point as 2265 01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:31,360 of tonight I I don't feel that we need 2266 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:34,080 to have an additional tracking poll. I 2267 01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:37,280 think if if we get new data that 2268 01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:40,080 indicates that we really ought to have a 2269 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:42,639 different question on the ballot, I 2270 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:46,080 think I begin to be more persuadable 2271 01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:47,679 that that revised ballot language um is 2272 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,840 something that we might want to poll on, 2273 01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,960 but I don't think we have that today. 2274 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,120 >> Oh, yeah. Wait, maybe that's a 2275 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,719 clarifying question. Is this an 2276 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,159 opportunity? And I think we got lost in 2277 01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:57,920 the conversation there. But Mike, I 2278 01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:01,120 think your question was basically could 2279 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:03,360 we not take action to tonight, but 2280 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:06,960 effectively take action sometime in the 2281 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:08,960 next couple weeks if we needed to. 2282 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,159 >> Depends. When's your next board meeting? 2283 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,480 >> It's December 10th. 2284 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:15,679 >> Okay. Brian, what do you think? Do you 2285 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:18,000 think if we got direction on the 10th to 2286 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:21,600 do tracking research, we could turn it 2287 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:24,639 around in time for January? Uh we could 2288 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:27,199 as long as there are people around from 2289 01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:29,600 the district and I heard John say he's 2290 01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:34,080 not going to be uh we would have to have 2291 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:37,040 final approval by December 23rd 2292 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,800 uh because we've got to be working the 2293 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:42,480 week after Christmas to get it 2294 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:44,880 programmed uh and into the week of the 2295 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:48,080 first week in January to be in the field 2296 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:50,639 on the 12th. Uh the holidays do sort of 2297 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:54,560 slow that process down. Normally it's 2298 01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:57,920 three days, but um you know we just need 2299 01:31:54,560 --> 01:32:00,719 more time because of the holidays. 2300 01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:04,719 >> So what does that mean, Brian? Um the 2301 01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:08,239 commitment of time during the holidays. 2302 01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:10,320 uh an an initial um meeting if we are 2303 01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:12,800 approved on the 10th then you know I'd 2304 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:16,000 want to have a meeting uh you know by 2305 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:19,600 the 15th of December to review a first 2306 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:21,440 draft of a questionnaire uh and then we 2307 01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:25,120 are going to go back and forth with it 2308 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:28,320 that week of the 15th you know ideally 2309 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:31,120 we're done somewhere around the 22nd to 2310 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:34,800 the 20 23rd I guess because 24th is 2311 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:36,480 probably a holiday for everybody Um 2312 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,880 so that's that's the challenge that 2313 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:39,440 we're running into is we're running out 2314 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,000 of time. 2315 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:44,080 >> And does that include also um the 2316 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,639 members from the parent community that 2317 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,480 are working closely with us? 2318 01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:49,920 >> Uh yeah, they we would want them to be 2319 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:52,960 involved in that too. Now we can 2320 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:55,040 preschedu that meeting um you know and 2321 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,639 just cancel it if you don't need it, but 2322 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,239 um 2323 01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:00,400 that would certainly help. So, if you 2324 01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:03,440 can get me those those dates so I can 2325 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:05,760 talk to uh those parents and the other 2326 01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:09,600 piece as long as you can work around my 2327 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:12,000 time of that December and I can have 2328 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:14,080 Rick during that time also so we can 2329 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,800 just get our schedules together. I am 2330 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:21,120 going to be a bit out of the country for 2331 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:23,040 a bit of the holiday. Um so 2332 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,280 we I can make it work just as long as I 2333 01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:28,080 have definite days and times. 2334 01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,600 >> Sure. No, that's not as fun. 2335 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,920 >> Okay. 2336 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,760 And then just to check if it came back 2337 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,320 and said, "Hey, there's a strong 2338 01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,080 indicator that we need to put a cap on. 2339 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,800 Does that change people's opinion about 2340 01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:42,400 going out for a tracking poll? Um, it is 2341 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,080 a different ballot measure. We've heard 2342 01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:46,000 that it is going to affect the numbers. 2343 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,760 Um, it always clearly does. Is that 2344 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,719 something that the the board feels like 2345 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,920 it would want to measure or where where 2346 01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:53,600 is that that I guess that's the part 2347 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,040 that before they go through the struggle 2348 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,719 of like trying to figure out like how 2349 01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,920 could we squeeze this all in if we're 2350 01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:59,520 just going to come around on the 10th 2351 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,639 anyways and be like yeah they say they 2352 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,040 want we don't want to we don't want to 2353 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:06,320 do the tracking poll anyway you know we 2354 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:07,920 might as well raise that now um and save 2355 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,760 everyone some time but if it's something 2356 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:12,400 where we think like yes when we get that 2357 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,840 information back if it says do the do 2358 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,000 the cap then we really ought to go out 2359 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:18,000 and test it and do the split AB as 2360 01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,440 Jeremy suggested. Um, is that what 2361 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,199 people are thinking? 2362 01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,679 >> So, I would say yes. 2363 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:26,000 >> Okay. 2364 01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:29,480 >> Um, because I know we're in a 2365 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,480 um financial 2366 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:30,880 issue. 2367 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:35,679 >> Yeah. 2368 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:37,520 >> Um, and you know, we're talking 38,000, 2369 01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:40,800 but our district will benefit so much 2370 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:43,800 more if this passes. So, I'm I'm for 2371 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,800 that. 2372 01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,880 So, I'm just trying to play out the 2373 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:52,719 situation. If if we come back and the 2374 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,840 direction is there's a strong appetite 2375 01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:59,280 from commerce to have some sort of cap 2376 01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:01,600 um and and we decide to do a tracking 2377 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:03,840 poll, we are expecting those numbers to 2378 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,360 decline either like no matter what we're 2379 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:08,080 expecting them to decline if we test 2380 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,760 that. And so it's a question of how much 2381 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,199 >> I would say the expectation from my 2382 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,120 perspective and again the whole reason 2383 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:16,159 we do polling is to test our 2384 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:19,280 expectations and and gut is that 2385 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:21,040 compared in the same poll to the 2386 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,280 non-capped measure we'd probably see 2387 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,320 lower support. Right? If support has 2388 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:27,600 grown overall then we might see that a 2389 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,880 measure with a cap is actually doing 2390 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,800 better than these numbers up on the 2391 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:32,239 screen. But that when you ask the other 2392 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,080 half of the sample this time around 2393 01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:35,679 these numbers have gone up even more if 2394 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,440 that makes sense. Right. Right. But the 2395 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:39,360 the general effect of adding that 2396 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:41,280 language, you you would expect 2397 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,920 irrespective of whatever comparison, but 2398 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,960 like we expect that to be a lower uh 2399 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,400 >> that's what we've seen when we've 2400 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,639 explored this in other communities in 2401 01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,560 the Bay Area. We haven't tested it that 2402 01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:53,760 much to be honest, right? It's a handful 2403 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:56,480 of districts. So, we we could be the 2404 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:58,320 first where there's no effect or 2405 01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:59,840 >> voters like it even more, right? That 2406 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:02,480 again, that's why you did the research. 2407 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:04,239 But um generally what we've seen that 2408 01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:06,480 there is a little bit of a depressing 2409 01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:10,400 effect 2410 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:13,520 >> and part of that I think is um voters 2411 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:16,159 like progressive taxes. They want the 2412 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,239 big guys to pay their fair share and the 2413 01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:21,360 cap is sort of the opposite of that, 2414 01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:24,000 right? It's saying me the homeowner, I 2415 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:27,120 got to pay my full load, but you know 2416 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,000 the box building downtown, they don't 2417 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,000 have to. 2418 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:33,040 >> They don't like that. So, another way to 2419 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:37,639 phrase that is that demanding a cap is 2420 01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,639 against the interests of the the voters. 2421 01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:43,840 >> Uh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's in 2422 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:46,639 the interest of the large businesses and 2423 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,239 large property owners. That's right. 2424 01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:50,320 I'd love if there was effective ways 2425 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:52,320 that we could give carrots to like the 2426 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,719 chamber to high-five them for being 2427 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:57,760 willing to go and support a uncapped 2428 01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:58,960 measure here because that's that that's 2429 01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,800 going to be really helpful for getting 2430 01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,880 this thing to pass and for getting us 2431 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,600 the funds that we need for the district. 2432 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,000 >> Yeah. I 2433 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,600 >> So I think that's and I think that I 2434 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,280 don't need a soap box so I won't 2435 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,360 >> Yeah. So 2436 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,040 >> honing back in onto the the tracking 2437 01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:16,400 pole, 2438 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,840 >> I I guess my view is 2439 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:20,239 I still don't necessarily know that that 2440 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,920 changes my mind on the tracking pole. Um 2441 01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:23,520 I I believe that there's a scenario 2442 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,280 where 2443 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:29,600 um we come back and there's a strong 2444 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:31,679 appetite from one side to put a cap and 2445 01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:36,960 we still don't and we just kind of play 2446 01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:39,119 it out. But that that's how I I see it. 2447 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,639 But if I guess if we said we did want to 2448 01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,480 put a cap on it, you're still sort of 2449 01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:44,159 like I think we have baseline poll data 2450 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:46,159 that's good enough indicator that people 2451 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:48,480 want to do it and go forward with that. 2452 01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:50,880 Um yeah, I mean personally I kind of 2453 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,159 lean that way too uh in terms of it. I'm 2454 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:57,600 not sure that um you know even even 2455 01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:59,360 putting in the cap I guess I'd have to 2456 01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,800 see what the response was if it was 2457 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,199 something where it was like yeah really 2458 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:07,360 strong to say like it absolutely has to 2459 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:08,719 be there. Um and and maybe yeah, you 2460 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,080 know, at that point though it would 2461 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:13,520 really be just a question of like would 2462 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:15,840 we be going forward or not? Um not is it 2463 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:20,080 more successful or is it a non-starter 2464 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:23,440 uh to put it in? Um okay. So I think 2465 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:24,960 it's clear that we really need to 2466 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:27,119 understand if we think we need to put a 2467 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,719 cap on. Um and if we don't need to put a 2468 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,080 cap on, we don't we don't feel like we 2469 01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:34,800 need to go out for another tracking 2470 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:36,560 poll. Um it's not so clear if we did 2471 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:38,320 decide that we wanted that we were 2472 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,600 considering putting a cap on that we had 2473 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,199 strong indication if we thought we 2474 01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,880 needed to go out for a tracking poll for 2475 01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:44,320 that. Um David Weekly, did you have an 2476 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,719 opinion on whether we would go out for a 2477 01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:48,080 tracking poll on that one? 2478 01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:51,199 >> On the fence about that. 2479 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:53,040 >> On the fence. Yeah. So I think um if 2480 01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:55,280 it's okay I I understand that it's a 2481 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:57,199 pressure time um without that last piece 2482 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,960 of information of like whether whether 2483 01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:00,639 we think it we need to put it on. I 2484 01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,760 think it's um it's hard for us to be 2485 01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:04,480 able to give that strong direction 2486 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:07,040 towards it. Um I did hear that people 2487 01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:09,600 are interested in not suns setting. 2488 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:12,400 Would we be testing a sunset as well if 2489 01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,560 we wanted to do that tracking poll? Um 2490 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,920 it was our biggest negative negative on 2491 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:20,320 the um poll results if you remember. 2492 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:23,199 >> Yes. 2493 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:26,080 >> And it's an easy an easy thing for um a 2494 01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:27,600 negative campaign to sort of hang on to. 2495 01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,000 How many percentage points do we think 2496 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,760 we can move with that? 2497 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,840 >> Well, if if we could go back to the 2498 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,280 slide of the progression of the 2499 01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,159 positives to negatives, 2500 01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,920 >> right? Right. 2501 01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:39,520 >> Um, 2502 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,800 and I'm just the consultant, but I will 2503 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:43,280 say that if we 2504 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,199 >> if we don't do polling and we bring back 2505 01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:47,360 a resolution to you next year, our 2506 01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:48,639 recommended resolution will include a 2507 01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,480 sunset. It's your decision whether or 2508 01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:53,520 not to take that recommendation. Okay? 2509 01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:55,679 But if you look at the drop in the 2510 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:59,199 basically second row to third row, we go 2511 01:39:55,679 --> 01:40:02,320 from 73% to 66. And the number one 2512 01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:04,320 reason to oppose the measure was because 2513 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:08,239 it did not expire and it would go on in 2514 01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:09,920 perpetuity. So our rationale is if we 2515 01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:12,800 can take the number one negative 2516 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:14,960 argument off the table structurally, 2517 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:18,719 we probably should when we're dropping 2518 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:20,560 down to just below 2/3. Is that like 2519 01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:21,920 half the drop or just 2520 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,480 >> It's hard. It's hard to say to be 2521 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,480 honest. 2522 01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:25,920 >> I'm asking you to hallucinate some 2523 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:28,719 numbers with me here. We just had a 2524 01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:32,639 presentation on LLMs, right? Yeah. So, 2525 01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:34,880 this took us from 73 to 66. If it had an 2526 01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:37,119 eight-year sunset that that would we 2527 01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,639 we'd be at 70. 2528 01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,440 >> Waving your hands a lot here. I 2529 01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:43,520 understand. 2530 01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:46,719 >> I go ahead Brian. Uh so first of all the 2531 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:48,320 percentage um that the the argument 2532 01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:50,639 against which was the measure does not 2533 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:52,320 have an expiration date and will go on 2534 01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:55,840 forever. We shouldn't vote for any 2535 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:58,960 measure that doesn't sunset was 48% at 2536 01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:02,239 least somewhat more likely to vote now. 2537 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:05,199 Uh that's half of the respondents. So if 2538 01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:08,880 we were being AI, we'd probably say that 2539 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:11,280 half of the drop between 73 and 66 was 2540 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:13,840 related to that. 2541 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,360 and prove the work. 2542 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,679 >> It's a convincing answer. 2543 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,760 >> Yeah. 2544 01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:18,800 >> Yeah. 2545 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,920 >> Okay. And it sounds like that's what 2546 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,440 we're going to get recommended to do 2547 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,320 anyway. So, it's really like do we want 2548 01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,480 to test that as well, 2549 01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:27,840 >> right? And the and the reason being is 2550 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:29,360 without a cap, a cap effectively takes 2551 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,920 your biggest threat of opposition off 2552 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:30,320 the table. 2553 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,800 >> Right. 2554 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,080 >> Right. Because you're lowering their tax 2555 01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,480 bill from hundreds of thousands of 2556 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,440 dollars a year to five or 2500 or 2557 01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:41,440 whatever. Um, if you don't have that, 2558 01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:43,440 then there is more risk for opposition. 2559 01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:45,440 And so I would be more conservative on 2560 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:47,520 the other components of the measure 2561 01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:49,520 structurally, especially because we 2562 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,360 know, you know, citing other research 2563 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:53,360 that the hardest measure to pass is 2564 01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,880 always the first one. And I don't mean 2565 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,719 the first in a district. I mean the 2566 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,639 first time you're increasing. Once 2567 01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:01,199 you've passed a new measure like this, 2568 01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:03,440 going back and renewing it later, it's 2569 01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:04,960 never easy, but you know, you have a 2570 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:07,600 track record of eight years of spending 2571 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,360 to show your voters. Um, that usually 2572 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,159 helps. Uh, and getting it over the hump 2573 01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,159 a second time. 2574 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,119 >> These numbers are close enough to 2/3 2575 01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:18,320 that every percentage point matters. So, 2576 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:20,639 you you may have convinced me that an 2577 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,639 eight-year sunset needs to be in here 2578 01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:24,239 for this to for this to credibly pass. 2579 01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:27,520 >> So, does that need to be tracked? Does 2580 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:28,800 that need a tracking bolt? 2581 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,400 We're we're not going to make the final 2582 01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,400 decision until we know about the cap. 2583 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,440 But would that be something that you 2584 01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,880 wanted them to? 2585 01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:39,280 >> No. No. Because I feel like that useful 2586 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,760 insight was already embedded in the data 2587 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:43,360 captured. 2588 01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:45,280 >> Yeah, I agree with that one. Okay. 2589 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:49,119 >> When they talked about numbers, Brian 2590 01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:51,760 mentioned like, you know, 15 or 12 is 2591 01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:53,360 like 10 or 10 is like 12. And does it 2592 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:56,480 really make a difference between eight 2593 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:59,280 and nine and nine? 2594 01:42:56,480 --> 01:43:03,440 So, do we want to go rather than eight 2595 01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:05,040 years to 90 nine years and nine months? 2596 01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,199 >> Yeah. Well, we don't have to make that 2597 01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,719 decision. 2598 01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:08,239 >> We don't have to make that decision. 2599 01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:09,920 >> And Brian was being a little tongue and 2600 01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:11,920 cheek. It's got to be a year long. 2601 01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:14,080 >> Yes. Okay. 2602 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,199 >> Eight or nine. I I like eight because it 2603 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:19,119 gets you past multiple 2604 01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:20,880 >> election cycles, right? You get multiple 2605 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:23,360 opportunities to renew it. 2606 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,199 >> Okay. So I think our direction is we're 2607 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:27,040 not we don't feel the need to go forward 2608 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:29,040 with a tracking poll right now. We would 2609 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,360 like to revisit that decision once we 2610 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:35,520 hear from uh whether we think our 2611 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:38,080 opposition is going to demand a cap. Um 2612 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,760 the probably the leaning so far is that 2613 01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,520 even that we may not want to track but 2614 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,080 it is a significant change and probably 2615 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:46,560 does merit some little bit of of further 2616 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:48,320 reflection on that. Um the sunset is a 2617 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,679 good recommendation. Uh it sounds like 2618 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,760 you're going to recommend that into our 2619 01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:53,280 proposal as well. I don't think that 2620 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,040 from the discussion we've had to hear 2621 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,719 tonight that we feel like that needs to 2622 01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:59,280 be pulled. The numbers seem to be pretty 2623 01:43:56,719 --> 01:44:00,960 indicated from our baseline data. Um so 2624 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,960 really the one issue that we're 2625 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:05,119 wondering whether needs to be have a 2626 01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,960 tracking poll would be putting in the 2627 01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:08,400 cap. We're not sure we even need to put 2628 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:10,000 a cap in yet. We kind of need that 2629 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:11,440 information to be able to go forward. 2630 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,800 Were we able to provide you with the 2631 01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:13,679 direction you were looking for tonight? 2632 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,560 >> Phenomenal job. 2633 01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:15,600 >> Okay. 2634 01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,960 >> I appreciate it. 2635 01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,320 >> All right. 2636 01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,280 >> Thank you and Brian. 2637 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,960 >> Good to see you. 2638 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:24,960 >> Thank you everybody. Bye bye 2639 01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:25,280 >> Jeremy. I'll be tech emailing you. Good. 2640 01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,400 >> Okay, 2641 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,400 >> you hear that everyone? We did a 2642 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,400 phenomenal. 2643 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,840 >> All right, discussion of board policies 2644 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,440 for turning into pros of this. Uh I'm 2645 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:40,320 going to propose that we do the first 2646 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:43,679 couples in triplets um because they're 2647 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:46,960 quite literally the same um policies uh 2648 01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:50,000 for um the different um employee groups 2649 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:52,080 there. Uh so let's start with 10.2. 2 2650 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,920 10.3 and 10.4. These are the first 2651 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:57,199 reading uh in discussion of board 2652 01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:59,760 policies and ARS 4119242 2653 01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:03,199 for 10.2 4219.42 2654 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:06,880 for 10.3 and 4319.42 2655 01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:11,639 for the exposure um uh it's the exposure 2656 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:11,639 control plan for bloodborne pathogens. 2657 01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:16,320 Does anyone have any questions or 2658 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:20,719 comments or anything that they would 2659 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:20,719 like to ask or discuss on this item? 2660 01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:27,480 I've learned from past meetings to wait. 2661 01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:38,719 >> Okay, on to our next triplet. Um, this 2662 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,080 is going to be 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7. 2663 01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:41,760 We're discussing them together because 2664 01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,679 they're going to be the also the same 2665 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,960 policies, but for the different employee 2666 01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,239 groups, the certificated, the 2667 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,639 classifier, and then the other personnel 2668 01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:50,320 that were in those groups. Um this is 2669 01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:53,560 the first reading in discussion of BP 2670 01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,560 and AR4119.43,4219.43 2671 01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:58,800 and 4319.43 2672 01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:00,880 which is universal precautions. 2673 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:04,679 Does anyone have questions or comments 2674 01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,679 or anything to discuss? 2675 01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:20,080 No. Seeing none, we will move on to the 2676 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:21,840 next triplet. Uh 10.8 8 10.9 and 10.10. 2677 01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:25,360 Uh this is the first reading in 2678 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:27,840 discussion of board policy 4151, 4251 2679 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:29,360 and 4351. This is on employee 2680 01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,600 compensation 2681 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,880 uh for the different employee groups. Um 2682 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,400 one thing I want to call out about this 2683 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:36,320 one is I did see that there was a 2684 01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:38,639 highlight in there about paid monthly 2685 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,159 and 11 or 12 equal payments over the 2686 01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:42,000 year depending on the work calendar of 2687 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:44,159 the classification. I'm assuming that 2688 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:47,880 was highlighted because it was meant to 2689 01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:47,880 be discussed here tonight. 2690 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:52,400 Not exactly, but I'll I'll hand it over 2691 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:52,880 to Wendy. 2692 01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,440 Uh 2693 01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:58,320 >> the items in highlight are board policy 2694 01:46:55,440 --> 01:47:02,239 committee andor staff recommendations. 2695 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:04,880 So in this particular case, um fun fact, 2696 01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:07,280 we have different work calendars for 2697 01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:10,480 different employee groups. And so that's 2698 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:12,480 why the 11 or 12 month payments are 2699 01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:13,679 noted as such in there. That might seem 2700 01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:14,960 a little confusing, but different 2701 01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:16,719 classifications have different work 2702 01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,800 calendars which drive those payments. 2703 01:47:16,719 --> 01:47:20,719 >> Okay, got it. Yeah, I the text 2704 01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,320 underneath was in red, so I had thought 2705 01:47:20,719 --> 01:47:23,520 it was just like because last time we 2706 01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,920 had a highlight for things that came 2707 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:28,080 from CSVA, so I was just Yeah, got it. 2708 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,920 >> Yes, this is also my fault from last 2709 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,639 time. Okay, we're all learning. 2710 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:36,600 >> Okay. Uh, does anyone have questions or 2711 01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:36,600 comments about employee compensation? 2712 01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:42,320 >> All right. Um the following we're going 2713 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:45,280 to do one by one because they're not um 2714 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:46,480 the similar repeats. So we're at 10.11. 2715 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,560 Uh this is the first reading in 2716 01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:51,199 discussion of board policy 4215. This is 2717 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:55,159 evaluation and supervision. Um and this 2718 01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:55,159 is for classified personnel. 2719 01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:02,320 No comments. Looks like it's the CSBA 2720 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:04,880 version that we're taking. So good. 2721 01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,719 Okay. Then we'll move on to 10.12. Uh 2722 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:09,440 first reading discussion of board policy 2723 01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:11,600 and AR 5141. This is healthcare and 2724 01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:13,840 emergencies. 2725 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,760 I see a question or a comment. 2726 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,760 >> Just a comment that you know I I just 2727 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:21,520 last week actually did my uh Red Cross 2728 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:24,560 first aid AED C CPR renewal training um 2729 01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:26,800 at um PCC up the hill. Um really good. 2730 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:29,119 You can ser save somebody's life if you 2731 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,639 know first aid. Uh it cost me 85 bucks 2732 01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:33,840 out of pocket for all the materials 2733 01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:37,119 online whatever. Um, and just I I would 2734 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:41,440 love to see the board uh find a way to 2735 01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:45,119 encourage uh members of the district uh 2736 01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:47,920 whether that's staff or uh volunteers, 2737 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:49,679 teachers, etc. uh to to take these 2738 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,040 trainings. Um, and if there are things 2739 01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:53,440 that we could do to encourage it, I 2740 01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:55,360 think that'd be pretty good because um, 2741 01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:57,119 that equips people not only in their 2742 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:59,600 jobs here, but also as members of the 2743 01:48:57,119 --> 01:49:01,520 community at large to be uh, effective 2744 01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,679 first responders and potentially save 2745 01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,520 lives. So, just I I wanted to float 2746 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:07,840 that. Is there any encouraging language 2747 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:10,000 that we could put in that could help 2748 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:12,320 encourage the district to uh promote 2749 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:15,119 such trainings uh to have such trainings 2750 01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:17,600 and have a larger percentage of our uh 2751 01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:20,400 overall adult population be skilled 2752 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:25,199 first responders? 2753 01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:26,000 >> We do we do have that for some of our 2754 01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:29,520 staff members. 2755 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:32,000 >> Yeah. So um in some classified job 2756 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:34,480 descriptions there is a requirement for 2757 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:37,360 CPR training. Interestingly enough, the 2758 01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:40,000 state just put in effect for emergency 2759 01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:42,880 credential teachers, it's required, 2760 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,520 which is interesting. Um, and then we 2761 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:48,320 actually have actively been promoting 2762 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:50,560 the the there was a grant for classified 2763 01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:52,400 employees over a four-year period that 2764 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:56,960 Antonio Perez was overseeing and 2765 01:49:52,400 --> 01:50:00,320 Petrinia Red uh to train classified 2766 01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:03,360 staff specifically on CPR uh and first 2767 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,440 aid, etc. And then the PE teachers are 2768 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,280 actually trained and will be have their 2769 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:10,159 renewal coming and then management was 2770 01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:14,239 trained recently uh with Anna Herrera's 2771 01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:16,480 funds. So that was back in June. But 2772 01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:18,400 anyway, um the point is is that yes, 2773 01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:20,080 there are pockets of groups that have 2774 01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:22,159 been trained and and of course our 2775 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,679 nurses obviously are trained. 2776 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:26,960 >> Um 2777 01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:29,119 for about for our 800 and some odd 2778 01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:31,520 employees, 900 employees outside of 2779 01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:34,320 volunteers or any other parents at that 2780 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:36,800 rate would be, you know, about 76,000 2781 01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:39,440 and that would be then every two years. 2782 01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:41,600 Um, a lot of times it's about time 2783 01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:44,480 actually to train and building that into 2784 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:45,679 our our schedules and so forth. Uh, 2785 01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:47,600 there's a difference between being 2786 01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:49,280 certified and being trained. So, we'd 2787 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,440 have to make sure we differentiate, but 2788 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:53,679 there is actually not one current board 2789 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:55,920 policy that specifically calls out CPR 2790 01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:58,239 training and and this. So, that would be 2791 01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,679 something new. Um, but I just want to 2792 01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:02,000 give you a little background. Sequoia 2793 01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:03,760 Healthcare has been giving us some funds 2794 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,400 to do this work as well. So, I do want 2795 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:08,159 to point that out. But no, there is not 2796 01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,880 something systematic in place at this 2797 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,960 point. 2798 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:13,600 >> Would this be the policy to insert 2799 01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:16,560 encouraging language without uh 2800 01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:19,840 necessarily obligating us financially? 2801 01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:24,000 Um to to try to make a best effort to 2802 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,400 find a way to encourage first aid, AED, 2803 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:29,400 CPR training for for staff where 2804 01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,400 possible. 2805 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:34,480 >> Oh, please. I was I was just looking at 2806 01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:35,920 the top of the policy, right, where it 2807 01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:37,520 says the governing it would be one of 2808 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,440 the what the governing board thinks, 2809 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:41,280 right? And it's I'll step back. It's 2810 01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:42,480 great to hear that the district is 2811 01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:42,800 already doing stuff, which is like 2812 01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:44,480 >> yeah, 2813 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,320 >> kind of what the theme is in general 2814 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:48,400 today. 2815 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,440 Um yeah, what what if we were to add 2816 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,280 something at the end of the first 2817 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:52,560 sentence there just like so the first 2818 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:54,480 sentence is the governing board 2819 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,239 recognizes the importance of taking 2820 01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:58,719 appropriate action dot dot dot and if 2821 01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:02,080 there's a second clause and encourages 2822 01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:04,080 um like the encourages staff to be 2823 01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:06,000 trained as appropriate like or something 2824 01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,360 like to that degree I don't know does is 2825 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,520 that what you're something that you have 2826 01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:11,040 in mind 2827 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,360 >> basically yeah I mean that would be 2828 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,920 that'd be a good first step in this 2829 01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,000 direction 2830 01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:20,400 >> I don't know what others 2831 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:22,880 So at Sequoia during PD, classified 2832 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,719 employees are actually not mandatory, 2833 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:27,520 but it's an optional if they want to 2834 01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:30,560 take that as a PD. So they have the 2835 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:33,520 director of wellness actually teach the 2836 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:35,599 class during one of the sessions. Um I 2837 01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:38,400 forget where where whether it's a 2838 01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:40,159 certificate that we get or if it's 2839 01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:44,000 whatever the other stuff that you just 2840 01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:46,239 said. Um but that does happen um on a 2841 01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:48,159 yearly basis. So not everybody takes it 2842 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:50,719 but it is an option and it's not 2843 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:52,639 somebody from an outside agency. So it 2844 01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:55,360 doesn't cost a district other than the 2845 01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:56,880 time for the employee um giving the 2846 01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,280 training. 2847 01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:01,920 >> I think Sequoia also experienced the 2848 01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:03,360 same grant we had that is just ending. 2849 01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,360 So I'm curious to know if they'll 2850 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:07,119 continue that. Uh that was lovely for 2851 01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:09,440 four years because it was the same type 2852 01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:12,080 of idea. In fact, we gave the trainings 2853 01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:14,400 the the president's week for classified 2854 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:16,239 staff to come back uh and then I I 2855 01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,080 believe a day in June. So there were 2856 01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:19,599 days when students were not present. So 2857 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:22,080 it was voluntary. But when you make it 2858 01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:24,639 voluntary, that doesn't ensure everyone. 2859 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,440 So I guess my question back was I hear 2860 01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:27,199 it's a little bit more about 2861 01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:29,119 encouragement rather than requirement. 2862 01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:31,280 In my world, it's it's one or the other. 2863 01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:33,599 So, I'm curious to know if the board's 2864 01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:36,560 interested in funding it or if it's just 2865 01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:38,960 a essentially a sentiment about wanting 2866 01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:41,360 to ensure that we're, you know, 2867 01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:43,199 available to assist and encourage. Yeah, 2868 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:45,679 >> I'd be interested in exploring ways to 2869 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:48,080 fractionally fund it, maybe to like 50%. 2870 01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:52,239 I'm I'm my my comment was not intended 2871 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:56,560 to create an obligation for all staff to 2872 01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:57,840 have formal certification, but um I I 2873 01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:00,080 think if there's things that we can do 2874 01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:02,639 to increase awareness and training, I I 2875 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:04,560 think that we could see lives saved as a 2876 01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:07,280 result. 2877 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:09,040 Mike, 2878 01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,800 >> um yeah, I mean, as I was looking 2879 01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,800 through it, like take for example the 2880 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,800 AEDs. It doesn't require that everybody 2881 01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:16,239 get trained on AEDs. It just says that 2882 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:19,679 somebody has to be on site that's 2883 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:22,239 trained for it. Um I think that you know 2884 01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:23,520 that while I think it would be great for 2885 01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:25,280 everybody should have take the 2886 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,199 opportunity, I also think everybody 2887 01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,440 should learn to swim. Do the I need to 2888 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:32,400 have put that into the board policy. Um 2889 01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:36,239 you know maybe maybe not perhaps saying 2890 01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:37,679 that there should be on on um 2891 01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:40,080 something around like there should be 2892 01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:41,280 people trained for first aid response. I 2893 01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:44,719 don't know if that's in a policy 2894 01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:46,719 somewhere, but that might be the the um 2895 01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:49,280 the kind of the direction to kind of par 2896 01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:51,520 to par be parallel what the like we what 2897 01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,880 we say for AEDs where there has to be 2898 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,920 somebody on the site that's trained to 2899 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,360 be able to use it, but it doesn't mean 2900 01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,400 that everybody has to be able to be 2901 01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:58,080 trained to use it. 2902 01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,000 >> And I think some of the context here is 2903 01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,840 that learning to swim is a pretty big 2904 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,000 deal and involved procedure and learning 2905 01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,920 how to use AED takes about like 5 10 2906 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:07,760 minutes and then you've got it. They're 2907 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,599 not all that complicated, right? So, so 2908 01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:10,159 the the lift the burden is not very 2909 01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:13,159 high. 2910 01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:13,159 >> Yeah. 2911 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:18,880 >> I assume Wendy's is going to look for 2912 01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:22,719 direction on verbage changes. I I'll say 2913 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:25,199 just putting aside the funding pieces, I 2914 01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:26,560 think I'd be okay with the sentiment 2915 01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:28,159 like encouraging something that that's 2916 01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:29,760 not obligated because I don't think that 2917 01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:32,480 I don't think I'm prepared to put that 2918 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:34,719 in there. But if it's if it's language 2919 01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,639 about like supporting or encouraging 2920 01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:38,639 staff to do it because we believe in the 2921 01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:40,159 importance of it, I'm okay with that. 2922 01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:41,040 >> Yeah, it seems fine. An encouraged 2923 01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:41,679 statement. 2924 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,119 >> Yeah. 2925 01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:46,400 >> And maybe something just as simple as 2926 01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:49,599 that. The board encourages staff to uh 2927 01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:51,040 be trained in CPR, AED, etc. 2928 01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:53,040 >> And maybe in the fullness of time, we 2929 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,960 could turn that into formal programs 2930 01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,400 that we make available that make it very 2931 01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,920 easy for them to sign up for these 2932 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,280 things, that we fund these things, etc. 2933 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:03,199 But we we don't have to have that 2934 01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:04,880 funding conversation tonight. Okay. 2935 01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:05,520 >> When does that give you direct? Okay. 2936 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:10,080 Cool. 2937 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,760 >> Thank you. Uh so this was that was that 2938 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:14,639 was not administering medication. That's 2939 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:17,920 the next one. Um so 10.13 first reading 2940 01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:19,840 and discussion BPN 5141.21. This is 2941 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,840 administering medication and monitoring 2942 01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,599 health conditions. And I just want to 2943 01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,960 give everybody a chance to chime in if 2944 01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:27,840 you're interested. There was an option 2945 01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:33,199 in this one. Um and option two was 2946 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:34,880 selected. Uh and this is around um 2947 01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:37,280 uh how what's the language that we use 2948 01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,400 here? We said prohibit the um the 2949 01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,000 governing board prohibits the 2950 01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:43,719 administration of medical cannabis to 2951 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:43,719 students on school grounds. 2952 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,960 Comments, discussion 2953 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:57,040 Okay, let's move on to 15.14. 2954 01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:59,520 Um, first reading and discussion of 2955 01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:03,239 board policy 5141.5. 2956 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,239 This is mental health. 2957 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:08,000 Looks like it's all from CSBA. 2958 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:10,880 New requirements around cultural 2959 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:16,119 competency training, updated referral 2960 01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:16,119 protocols. Anything to discuss here? 2961 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:21,920 Looks good to me. Okay. Uh, we'll move 2962 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:25,520 on to 10.15. first reading and 2963 01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:30,040 discussion of BP and AR 6142.7. 2964 01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:30,040 This is physical education and activity. 2965 01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,840 Um I had one question for the policy 2966 01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:35,280 committee and I'm very sorry I didn't 2967 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,800 put this one in in advance but it was 2968 01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,639 just I noticed that under permanent 2969 01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,320 exceptions um we struck out all the high 2970 01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:42,080 school stuff which makes a lot of sense 2971 01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:43,440 but then there was also one bullet that 2972 01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:45,199 was just around the student is enrolled 2973 01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,800 in a juvenile home ranch camp or 2974 01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:48,880 forestry camp school with scheduled 2975 01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:52,080 recreation and exercise. This could that 2976 01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:56,280 have applied to K8 or would that be is 2977 01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:56,280 that only for high school as well. 2978 01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:09,040 I'll say from our discussions that I 2979 01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:10,880 recall that was not an intent. We were 2980 01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:12,800 purely I think eliminating things that 2981 01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,440 were high school only but okay but we 2982 01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:15,199 should 2983 01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:19,040 >> if that's not the case yeah we should 2984 01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:21,679 look into that. E end code 51241 2985 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:23,199 is uh concerns exemptions from high 2986 01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:24,560 school physical education requirements. 2987 01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:25,760 >> Okay, great. Okay, so as long as it's 2988 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:27,760 just talking about pay, that's all I 2989 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:29,040 want to know. Okay, perfect. Thanks. Um, 2990 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,040 so that was that was struck 2991 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:33,280 appropriately. Cool. And again, I I 2992 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:35,760 apologize for letting us see that too 2993 01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:38,800 late. Um, 2994 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:40,960 shall we move on? Okay. Uh, 10.16 first 2995 01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:43,520 reading and discussion BP and AR uh 2996 01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:45,440 6142.8 and this is comprehensive health 2997 01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:47,119 education. I think the big thing is 2998 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,639 we're adding mental health. Mental 2999 01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:50,880 health is being added into health 3000 01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:54,599 education, 3001 01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:54,599 questions, comments. 3002 01:58:55,679 --> 01:59:02,080 Yeah. Okay. Looks good to me. We have uh 3003 01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:04,880 discussed our policies. Thanks, Wendy. 3004 01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:07,119 Um we're going to move on to our consent 3005 01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:08,400 agenda and everything in the um consent 3006 01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:10,000 agenda is going to be considered routine 3007 01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,840 and acted upon by the board in one 3008 01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,440 motion. I will remind everyone that 3009 01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,599 11.14 3010 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:19,119 has been pulled from the consent agenda. 3011 01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:22,320 So, we would be voting on um 11.1 to 3012 01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:24,719 11.13 and then 11.15. 3013 01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:27,199 >> I move we approve the consent agenda 3014 01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:29,599 accepting 11.14. 3015 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:31,520 >> Okay. All in favor? I 3016 01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:34,960 >> I 3017 01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:37,199 uh 12.1 has been pulled. So, we have no 3018 01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:40,719 action items. Uh you know, we're on to 3019 01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:44,000 board and superintendent reports. Who 3020 01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:45,840 Who would like to report first? 3021 01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:47,760 >> Uh, by the way, it's nine o'clock. We 3022 01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,280 often take a break. I think we're close 3023 01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,719 enough to the end that we should just 3024 01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:54,599 power through. That's my recommendation. 3025 01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:54,599 Everybody in. Okay, great. 3026 01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:01,679 Uh, David Lee, please. Sorry. 3027 02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:03,599 >> Um, 3028 02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:05,280 went to I had two school site visits 3029 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:06,960 over the past week. One to Kennedy and 3030 02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:09,199 one to Hoover. Both of them very 3031 02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:10,719 productive. Uh, Kennedy, I was intending 3032 02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:12,800 to check out some classrooms, but I 3033 02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:15,040 ended up just having a very uh nice, 3034 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,960 productive conversation with uh with 3035 02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:18,560 Jandra, which was great because it was 3036 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:22,480 the second time I've gotten to talk with 3037 02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:24,639 her. But uh some highlights uh the I 3038 02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:27,920 think she has self-d designated or been 3039 02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:30,639 designated as a warm demander, which is 3040 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:32,239 inspirational to me. I love that idea of 3041 02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:34,400 um 3042 02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:36,719 keeping standards high but still you 3043 02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:39,360 know coming forward with a a good 3044 02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:41,840 attitude. Um that is at least what was 3045 02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:43,040 communicated to me. I love the idea. Uh 3046 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,040 a lot of good things I think 3047 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:47,119 particularly for us uh that I heard were 3048 02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,360 going well were the enrichment um 3049 02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:51,040 program the English accelerate we're 3050 02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,719 calling it that seemed to be going well. 3051 02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:55,199 Positive feedback there and no big 3052 02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:57,599 hiccups. Uh and then the smart device 3053 02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:58,960 policy seemed to also be going well. Uh 3054 02:00:57,599 --> 02:01:01,760 I think there was some concerns as 3055 02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:03,280 predicted about uh safety kind of at the 3056 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,880 beginning but that's been headed off and 3057 02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,040 addressed and so it seems to be going 3058 02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:09,199 pretty well there. Uh the Hoover visit 3059 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,280 was also very nice. I know I put in 3060 02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:14,080 quotes another uh phrase that stuck with 3061 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:16,400 me was pleasantly persistent. So lots of 3062 02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:18,320 things that I'm learning to aspire to. 3063 02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:20,560 Um but I think it's a great mantra of 3064 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:23,520 just you know do do the most that we can 3065 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:25,920 but again with a good attitude as always 3066 02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:27,679 a great strong community feel. Um, I 3067 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,800 think whenever I got to see a lot of 3068 02:01:27,679 --> 02:01:31,280 classrooms there and you can just see 3069 02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:33,119 the relationships that Lube has with 3070 02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:36,800 students and staff, um, which is just 3071 02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:39,280 very inspiring and, you know, including 3072 02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:40,400 where there had to be some redirection, 3073 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,760 uh, it was still done with the 3074 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:45,360 incredible amount of love, which was 3075 02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:46,880 just great to see. Um, that said, it's 3076 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:50,000 pretty clear this is still there's a 3077 02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:51,119 high need population. Um there's there's 3078 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,440 just a lot of stuff going on there 3079 02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:54,400 that's unique to probably Bayside 3080 02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,320 schools in general, but certainly in 3081 02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:57,679 Hoover um that they're not the same 3082 02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,719 issues that are popping up everywhere 3083 02:01:57,679 --> 02:02:00,960 else. And I think it's something to be 3084 02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:02,719 mindful of especially as we go through 3085 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,599 difficult decisions through the budget 3086 02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:05,520 and just making sure that we're 3087 02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:07,440 supporting all of our students. Um one 3088 02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:09,280 one other thing was just and this is me 3089 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:11,679 broadly conversations 3090 02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:13,280 just about the teacher retention 3091 02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:16,400 attraction. I think it can be 3092 02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:17,760 challenging. Um I think we've seen this 3093 02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:19,599 through 3094 02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:21,920 teacher turnover at some of the higher 3095 02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:23,599 need schools. And so, um, just something 3096 02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,520 that jumped out to me as I asked about 3097 02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:28,159 like, oh, how long has this teacher been 3098 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:29,360 here? Um, and that's not to say that, 3099 02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:31,440 you know, new teachers can't be good, 3100 02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:33,840 but stability is always nice, uh, to the 3101 02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:36,960 extent that we can figure that out, but, 3102 02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:38,719 uh, something that stuck out to me. 3103 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:41,119 >> All right. Thank you. Uh, Cecilia, do 3104 02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:43,760 you anything to report? 3105 02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:47,119 >> Yes. So, um, last week I attended along 3106 02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:52,719 with Dr. Baker, um, Jorge, Michelle 3107 02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:55,520 Ramon, and Aaron Cos from Northstar, and 3108 02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:56,320 Miss 3109 02:02:55,520 --> 02:03:00,080 I can't remember. 3110 02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:03,199 >> I forget her. One of the teachers. Um, 3111 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:05,119 there were some parents representing 3112 02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:07,760 some of the schools. I I don't I don't 3113 02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:09,520 have the list with me. Um, and then they 3114 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:12,080 actually had a student, too. and the 3115 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:15,440 parent from Northstar. And the parent 3116 02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:17,679 talked about her experience going from 3117 02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:20,159 Garfield, I believe, 3118 02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:23,040 >> to Northstar and how her daughter has 3119 02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:25,679 had just a great experience. Um, they 3120 02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:28,239 were a little hesitant at first, but the 3121 02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:30,000 daughter is actually thriving and so 3122 02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:32,080 they talked about the programs and how 3123 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:35,520 they and you guys have heard what 3124 02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:37,440 Northstar does. And so, 3125 02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:40,400 um, 3126 02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:42,639 it was nice to hear from a parent from 3127 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:45,199 the Bayside to see what their experience 3128 02:03:42,639 --> 02:03:46,880 is like cuz as we know, we are trying to 3129 02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,400 pull more parents from the Bayside. And 3130 02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:51,119 unfortunately, they're just not coming 3131 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:55,280 as we think that the numbers are not 3132 02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:58,719 coming in as we um slowly but not as 3133 02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:59,920 much as we wanted to. Um, and then I 3134 02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:01,760 forget what else we talked about because 3135 02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:02,000 I didn't I don't have any of my notes. 3136 02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:03,599 So, 3137 02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,440 >> we tal 3138 02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:07,360 What we spoke about was we we went 3139 02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:09,119 through the budget process with that. If 3140 02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:11,920 you recall, we did that we did that 3141 02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:13,920 portion and got their feedback. And then 3142 02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:17,679 you also had Elizabeth that came to the 3143 02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:20,080 last board meeting and talked about how 3144 02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:23,760 the types of needs that Hoover has and 3145 02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:25,679 what they want to um continue with. So, 3146 02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:28,880 we talked about that and then we also 3147 02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:32,000 talked about the possibility of parcel 3148 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:34,960 tax during the and what a parcel tax is 3149 02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:37,840 and even though you may not be voting 3150 02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:40,320 the it's good for you to know about this 3151 02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:42,800 because you're not a homeowner but you 3152 02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:45,119 rent so possibility that your rent could 3153 02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:47,280 you know go up because of the parcel tax 3154 02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:48,960 be passed on to you. 3155 02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:51,599 And then I I do recall there was a 3156 02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:53,840 parent there that was like very involved 3157 02:04:51,599 --> 02:04:55,920 at Garfield and how she says she lives 3158 02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:58,719 all the way by Target and she literally 3159 02:04:55,920 --> 02:05:00,800 walks to all the meetings and so you 3160 02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:03,840 know here we go the commitment and so I 3161 02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:07,040 was telling them that's how I was like I 3162 02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:09,040 I was here as a parent um and so the 3163 02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:11,520 lady is looking forward to maybe one day 3164 02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:15,760 take a seat at the table. So that was 3165 02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:20,560 really great. Um and then I also 3166 02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:24,400 went to DAC on Monday. Um so 3167 02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:27,440 I actually did leave earlier. Um what I 3168 02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:30,880 enjoyed about DACA this time is we did 3169 02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:32,800 have a little bit more um it was through 3170 02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:37,440 Zoom so there was a lot more parents 3171 02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:38,960 connected um lots of questions and lots 3172 02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:41,440 of 3173 02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:43,280 answers within. 3174 02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:45,199 So the parents were actually answering 3175 02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:48,719 questions that other parents had. So 3176 02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:50,960 then you you know I was able to see how 3177 02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:53,280 their knowledge passes on to their all 3178 02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:56,159 their um friends and so that was really 3179 02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:58,880 nice to see. Um so yeah that that's it 3180 02:05:56,159 --> 02:06:00,880 for me. 3181 02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:02,639 >> Yeah David 3182 02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:04,159 >> super cool when just knowledge can 3183 02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:07,199 distribute through a community like 3184 02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:09,280 that. Um, so, uh, I met with the 3185 02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:11,679 Hispanic Foundation of Silicon Valley, 3186 02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:14,480 um, who had previously met with Trustee 3187 02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:16,719 Lee, um, had a wonderful chat with them 3188 02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,400 about some of their history, um, their 3189 02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:19,840 past engagements with Redwood City 3190 02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:22,080 School District and their interest in, 3191 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:24,560 uh, further engaging here, including, 3192 02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:26,960 uh, running parent education groups. Uh, 3193 02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,960 I did introduce them to Augustine, who's 3194 02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:31,520 one of our emerging parent advocates for 3195 02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:33,679 his Hispanic parents here. Um and that 3196 02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:35,040 seems like that uh is likely to be a 3197 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:38,800 very productive introduction. So that 3198 02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:40,880 was very exciting. Um was here last 3199 02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:43,119 night um also with a bunch of community 3200 02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:45,199 members uh talking about some of the 3201 02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:46,880 budget reductions. Uh there was a lot of 3202 02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:49,280 uh exciting and vigorous discussion that 3203 02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:51,280 was there. Um definitely highlighting 3204 02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:53,040 that uh to a certain degree every school 3205 02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:55,679 in our district is actually kind of a 3206 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:58,000 school of choice and draws from a pretty 3207 02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:59,599 large catchment. um that there's complex 3208 02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,280 interdependencies that exist between 3209 02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:02,639 schools. Um there's interest in 3210 02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:04,800 exploring a number of different 3211 02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:07,280 efficiencies. I learned that uh every 3212 02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:08,719 site buys its own technology. So some 3213 02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:10,320 school sites might have excess 3214 02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:13,040 Chromebooks and others were looking to 3215 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:15,119 buy Chromebook carts. And so just trying 3216 02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:17,280 to better coordinate that might result 3217 02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:19,760 in some savings. But there was no silver 3218 02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:21,360 bullet. There was no single easy uh 3219 02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:23,040 thing we could do to go and make this 3220 02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:25,360 happen. Um, but it did seem like we were 3221 02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:28,079 starting to get some consensus about uh 3222 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:30,560 positive and viable paths forward. 3223 02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:32,000 >> Yeah. 3224 02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,840 >> Yeah, that's that's the one that I had 3225 02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:36,000 to report on. Um, the the other thing 3226 02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:37,760 I'll point out is um f first of all, 3227 02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,199 there's three principles there. There's 3228 02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:41,679 a bunch of parents that are there. Rick 3229 02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:43,280 is there. John is there. Um, 3230 02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:43,920 >> Maria was there. Uh, 3231 02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:45,920 >> Katherine was 3232 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:47,440 >> Katherine. Yeah. So, it's a it's pretty 3233 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:50,400 it's pretty well attended. This is the 3234 02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:51,760 one in English. Um and uh I think there 3235 02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:54,000 were three main parts of it. There was 3236 02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:56,560 the the superintendent came with the 3237 02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:58,000 proposal for how this these budget cuts 3238 02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:00,800 could look like. I think that'll be come 3239 02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:03,360 out next week or so for for uh people to 3240 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,560 look at. Um then the committee so all 3241 02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,079 the all the parents talked about what 3242 02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:09,520 they heard from feedback from their 3243 02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:11,280 school. Um and uh and then there was 3244 02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:13,119 some data presented to the committee and 3245 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:15,760 so they got a chance to have some 3246 02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:17,280 feedback on that. Um, I believe all of 3247 02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:19,599 this material will be up on the 3248 02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:21,599 committee website, including the notes 3249 02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:23,199 next week. Yeah, next week. Um, if you 3250 02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:25,360 want to go and go and look at it and 3251 02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:26,800 see, but u I don't know if you have 3252 02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:29,599 anything to add for that. 3253 02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:32,000 >> Just that um I will be sending you each 3254 02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:34,320 spreadsheet. I send it David, I'll send 3255 02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:36,079 it to you digitally so you have it also 3256 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,440 and it'll be a part of our conversation 3257 02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:38,719 tomorrow. part of our conversation 3258 02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:43,360 tomorrow and part of our conversation 3259 02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:45,199 with Cecilia also uh when we set up our 3260 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:47,280 meeting how we either tomorrow or 3261 02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:50,239 Friday. Um so that that was that 3262 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:52,560 meeting. Um, and then on last week on 3263 02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:54,400 Friday, I spent the morning with the 3264 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:58,880 chamber and they had their education 3265 02:08:54,400 --> 02:09:01,280 workforce day and they had myself on a 3266 02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:05,520 panel along with the superintendent from 3267 02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:08,400 SEOA and one of the board members from 3268 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:10,400 the county office of education and we 3269 02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:12,880 had set questions that were sent to us. 3270 02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:14,320 At least the ones that they sent us were 3271 02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:16,560 not the ones that were asked, but that 3272 02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:19,280 was okay. you know, were a was a was 3273 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:20,880 able to to answer and respond and I got 3274 02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:23,840 most of them. So, I don't know how that 3275 02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:27,040 happened, but but uh we had a lot of our 3276 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:28,800 own um community members that their kids 3277 02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:31,040 come to Redwood City School District. We 3278 02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:33,920 had parents that who have been in the 3279 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:35,920 district that are now uh have their own 3280 02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:38,480 businesses or working for businesses in 3281 02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:40,239 Redwood City that you know had a lot of 3282 02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:44,320 favorable 3283 02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:46,079 insights to how we are moving forward 3284 02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:47,760 with the district and really just 3285 02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:51,520 applauded what we're doing. So it was 3286 02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:55,199 great to hear that. So, and also some 3287 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:58,079 students that have grown up in the 3288 02:09:55,199 --> 02:10:00,079 district and now are entrepreneurs or 3289 02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:03,599 are working for major comp major 3290 02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:07,280 businesses in Stanford and were part of 3291 02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:09,440 this um group. So it was interesting to 3292 02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:11,760 uh talk to them not only as a large 3293 02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:13,920 group but then to answer individual 3294 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:15,440 questions after I was done because I 3295 02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:18,400 they 3296 02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:22,000 they didn't have the um the timing 3297 02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:25,119 correct and the next group after us was 3298 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:27,280 the president from San Francisco State 3299 02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:30,719 College and some of her members were 3300 02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:33,360 with her. So our time got a little short 3301 02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:36,639 because of the difference of questions 3302 02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:38,320 that they were asking compared to what 3303 02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:40,480 my colleague said these were not the 3304 02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:44,320 questions we were given but anyway so 3305 02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:46,079 they we went forward but um the whole 3306 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:48,639 essence of them learning about the 3307 02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:50,320 Redwood City School District what we do 3308 02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:51,679 Hora did a great job with the pamphlets 3309 02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:54,000 that I was able to take out and give 3310 02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:56,239 around to all the tables uh on the 3311 02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:58,560 different schools. So there's uh 3312 02:10:56,239 --> 02:11:02,480 pamphlets each table and there were like 3313 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:05,119 15 about 22 t 25 tables in this room and 3314 02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:06,880 I gave each table about 10 different 3315 02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:08,320 pamphlets with had different schools in 3316 02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:12,400 the redwood city school district. gave a 3317 02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:14,320 little history. And um one thing that 3318 02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:16,880 one of the community members brought up 3319 02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:18,719 is what how 3320 02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:20,480 exciting that we do have schools of 3321 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:23,599 choice even though they may cause you 3322 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:25,199 know the district some chaos sometimes 3323 02:11:23,599 --> 02:11:26,079 and then uh some of our parents too 3324 02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:28,480 because they didn't get in and they're 3325 02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:31,760 on a waiting list and so forth. um they 3326 02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:34,880 really enjoyed that being a factor in 3327 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:36,320 this school district and had asked me, 3328 02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:38,719 you know, were you thinking of 3329 02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:40,560 expanding? And I go, it's expanded all 3330 02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:43,679 the schools as we heard last night when 3331 02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:46,239 you they're basically all community uh 3332 02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:48,480 not community schools, but um schools of 3333 02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:49,679 choice, schools of choice. The other 3334 02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:50,960 piece that got me thinking about 3335 02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:53,360 community schools is that was a question 3336 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:54,800 that was asked about community schools 3337 02:11:53,360 --> 02:12:00,400 and how did community schools get 3338 02:11:54,800 --> 02:12:03,840 started? because one of the participants 3339 02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:05,520 um has her niece at one of our attending 3340 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,719 one of our community schools and wanted 3341 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:08,320 to know more about the wraparound 3342 02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:11,199 services. She goes, "How do you are you 3343 02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:13,360 how are you able to do that?" You know, 3344 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,560 and gave a brief synopsis and I said, 3345 02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:16,639 "Well, if you're really interested in 3346 02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:18,480 seeing it in action, just give me a call 3347 02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:22,560 and I'll set you up with Michelle or Liz 3348 02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:25,199 and you can go visit." but very uh a lot 3349 02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:27,119 of kudos from the from the audience 3350 02:12:25,199 --> 02:12:29,119 about the Redwood City School District. 3351 02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:32,320 So, it was it's good that we're out 3352 02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:34,000 there and that um the next 3353 02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:36,639 superintendent has to also be part of 3354 02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:37,280 that that chamber. And Mike, you you're 3355 02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:37,760 part of it. 3356 02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,239 >> Yeah. 3357 02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:42,320 >> When you can get there. 3358 02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:45,920 >> Um but but it's it's a good group of 3359 02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:48,719 people, but this is a larger group that 3360 02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:51,360 goes to a leadership. 3361 02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:52,960 uh they become this consortium that go 3362 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:56,400 for the whole year which I'm going to 3363 02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:57,360 ask probably new Cecilia have you been 3364 02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:58,159 did you go Mike 3365 02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:01,119 >> I haven't been 3366 02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:03,520 >> so we should start put each year 3367 02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:07,199 somebody attend you attend like one 3368 02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:11,360 Friday per month and it has to do with 3369 02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:13,119 the chamber Sonteo County and they um 3370 02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:15,840 purposefully 3371 02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:18,880 take topics and bring in people so that 3372 02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:21,520 you learn more about the chamber and how 3373 02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:23,840 it supports not only education but how 3374 02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:26,719 it supports social services and so forth 3375 02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:29,199 in the county. It's it's it's a full day 3376 02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:32,320 one one Friday per month. They give you 3377 02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:37,840 breakfast and they give you lunch and 3378 02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:40,560 so it it's a good uh opportunity. I went 3379 02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:43,040 because at one time um the 3380 02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:44,800 superintendents in Sanonteo County were 3381 02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:48,560 required to go and I went before I 3382 02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:51,199 became a superintendent in 20 No and 3383 02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:54,800 yeah it was 2013. It was 2013 when I 3384 02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:56,719 went. So they have your as we as you as 3385 02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:58,320 you're on the panel they have your your 3386 02:13:56,719 --> 02:14:01,040 date you graduated they give you a 3387 02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:04,320 little graduate that was 2013 said long 3388 02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:08,079 time ago and Crystal hadn't been yet 3389 02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:11,040 hadn't hadn't been yet and uh echo it 3390 02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:13,040 had been had been. So it'd be good for 3391 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,760 you all to you know at some point in 3392 02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:18,000 time take turns one year one person go 3393 02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:19,360 next year somebody else go it and it's 3394 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,920 not very expensive for the district. 3395 02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:23,840 It's like 300 bucks. So, that's really 3396 02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:25,760 good. So, I'll encourage you and I'll 3397 02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:27,679 let the next superintendent know about 3398 02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:30,719 it also. 3399 02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:32,079 >> Sounds good. Um, all right. We're on to 3400 02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:33,520 information. We're receiving some 3401 02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:36,239 information about the Sanonteo County 3402 02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:39,840 Investment Fund, 4.1%. 3403 02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:42,719 Uh, any any questions? No. Um, 3404 02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:45,280 correspondence. Uh, anybody want to 3405 02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:47,840 acknowledge receipt of uh communication? 3406 02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:48,400 Um, make it part of the official record. 3407 02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:50,480 David, 3408 02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:54,880 >> I got some interesting information about 3409 02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:58,159 the Mills Act and various exemptions uh 3410 02:14:54,880 --> 02:15:00,079 that were granted to uh homeowners in 3411 02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:03,040 Redwood City whose properties are 3412 02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:04,880 designated as historic. And apparently 3413 02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:07,199 uh actual compliance with the terms of 3414 02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:09,360 the act is a pretty small percentage of 3415 02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:13,360 the homeowners that are receiving Mills 3416 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:15,840 Act exemptions. And this costs um the 3417 02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:17,760 district uh a reasonable chunk of the 3418 02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:20,000 change in terms of hundreds of thousands 3419 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:22,480 of dollars that we're not getting um due 3420 02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:24,719 to homeowners getting uh historic 3421 02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:26,960 property exemptions that they're not 3422 02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:29,599 actually compliant with. Um it would not 3423 02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:32,000 be up to us to remedy this, but it would 3424 02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:34,159 be up to within the jurisdiction of the 3425 02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:36,639 city of Redwood City. And so it was 3426 02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:39,599 recommended that we petition the city of 3427 02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:42,000 Redwood City uh to put a halt to 3428 02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:44,000 granting further Mills Act uh exemptions 3429 02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:46,400 or renewals that the exemptions tend to 3430 02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:48,480 go on for 10 years. Um so I contacted a 3431 02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:51,480 number of members of the uh of the city 3432 02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:51,480 council. 3433 02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:56,960 Any other correspondence to put into the 3434 02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:59,599 record? Okay. Um 3435 02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,040 any other business or suggested items 3436 02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:02,239 for future agenda? If you've looked at 3437 02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:05,599 the schedule, you'll see that like the 3438 02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:06,880 TK reports coming up next. Um I didn't 3439 02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:08,480 look farther than that, but I'm sure 3440 02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:11,480 there's plenty more on the future 3441 02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:11,480 agenda. 3442 02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:15,520 >> Yeah. Yeah. First interm. Yeah. Yeah, of 3443 02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:17,280 course. 3444 02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,239 >> Yeah. I I knew not to scroll just a 3445 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:19,360 little bit further. I'm like, that's 3446 02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:22,320 when all the excitement's going to 3447 02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:25,599 happen. Uh David Lee, 3448 02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:27,920 >> um any any thinking on the study session 3449 02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:30,400 that I proposed? 3450 02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:32,880 instead of us 3451 02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:33,920 on the agenda a second. Well, let's talk 3452 02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:34,479 tomorrow. 3453 02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:35,840 >> Okay. 3454 02:16:34,479 --> 02:16:36,479 >> Not yet, but it sounds like there'll be 3455 02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:36,880 some followup. 3456 02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:41,200 >> Okay. 3457 02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:43,359 >> Yeah. Okay. Um let's move on to Wait, 3458 02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:46,240 other Okay. So, now we're on to meeting 3459 02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:47,359 reflection. Um things that worked well, 3460 02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:48,719 things that didn't work well that we 3461 02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:50,800 should stop doing and change. 3462 02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:53,359 >> Loved your triplets, dude. Just I I like 3463 02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:54,000 how you diligently work through batches. 3464 02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,519 Uh it's 3465 02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:57,359 >> I mean if you're going to throw like 20 3466 02:16:55,519 --> 02:16:58,399 policies at me, I'm gonna find a way to 3467 02:16:57,359 --> 02:17:00,960 make sure we can get through them 3468 02:16:58,399 --> 02:17:03,200 efficiently while still giving them the 3469 02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:05,280 due measure and time of deliberation 3470 02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:06,319 that we deserve to give them and that 3471 02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,760 they they are 3472 02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:09,359 >> t taking the beat to make sure nobody 3473 02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:11,760 missed. That was masterfully done and 3474 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:14,000 and Evelyn, great job. Uh the clock 3475 02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:17,960 counting up. I noticed that was all very 3476 02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:17,960 well orchestrated. So, 3477 02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:25,000 Cecilia, David Lee, any feedback, 3478 02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:34,719 things we should continue to do, stop 3479 02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:36,960 doing anything. Yeah. Go ahead. 3480 02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:38,800 I think I just want I wasn't thinking of 3481 02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:40,960 the triplets that you talked about, but 3482 02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:42,880 um I just want to say thank you because 3483 02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:47,040 um I just love the way you kind of reels 3484 02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:49,120 back reel back reel us back in when 3485 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:50,800 maybe we shift a little bit to a 3486 02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:52,559 different direction. So I appreciate 3487 02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:54,880 that about you. So thank you. 3488 02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:57,760 >> Okay, this is not my agenda item. This 3489 02:17:54,880 --> 02:18:02,200 is our item. But thank you. I appreciate 3490 02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:02,200 it. Yeah. Thank you. 3491 02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:08,880 Um, we all love Mike. He does a great 3492 02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:10,319 job. Thank Thank you, Mike. I actually 3493 02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:12,000 did write down what 3494 02:18:10,319 --> 02:18:14,880 >> I did write down that I appreciate that 3495 02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:17,679 Mike keeps us timely to the best of his 3496 02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:19,760 ability, which is limited, granted, but 3497 02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:21,920 he does a great job. But I generally do 3498 02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:23,599 appreciate that. Relevant to that, uh, I 3499 02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:25,920 also I thought the presentations were I 3500 02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:27,519 enjoyed the the ratio of time of 3501 02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:28,880 presentation to discussion that we had. 3502 02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:31,359 I thought it was really rich. Um, which 3503 02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:32,719 was great. Like I love to hear more. um 3504 02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:35,920 like through the discussion. So that was 3505 02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:37,040 really helpful. Um one thing which isn't 3506 02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:38,240 I don't think is anything we can really 3507 02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:40,080 change. It's just kind of what it is 3508 02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:41,359 today. But I do think about like are we 3509 02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:43,840 spending the majority of our time 3510 02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:45,599 talking about like student outcomes and 3511 02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,960 I think I'd put the AI stuff in that 3512 02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:48,960 category because I think we are really 3513 02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:50,559 there. Um the rest of stuff is kind of 3514 02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:53,280 like feels procedural but it's also 3515 02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:54,559 stuff like we have to do. Um so it's not 3516 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:56,240 yeah not like a we need to change 3517 02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:59,760 something but more just a reflection of 3518 02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:01,920 h that was you know not what I'd hoped 3519 02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:03,040 for. It's always good for us to be 3520 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,559 thinking about are we keeping the 3521 02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:07,840 meetings focused on student achievement 3522 02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:09,599 as much as possible. 3523 02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:11,200 >> Yeah. And I I really appreciate Evelyn's 3524 02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:13,679 pacing guide and this time having the 3525 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:15,599 split down between the presentation and 3526 02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:17,599 the discussion. Um and I thought our 3527 02:19:15,599 --> 02:19:19,599 presenters did a really good job of of 3528 02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:21,120 sticking around to that time. I was 3529 02:19:19,599 --> 02:19:22,559 actually 3530 02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:24,399 really impressed. I mean when you come 3531 02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:26,000 in with a longer like Jeremy came in 3532 02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:27,439 with like 15 slides and said he was 3533 02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:29,599 going to do them in 10 minutes. Didn't 3534 02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:31,359 believe it. He was done in seven. Um, 3535 02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:33,120 you know, and AI was really close to 3536 02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:36,319 their time, so I think that that really 3537 02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:37,920 helps um allow us to have discussion 3538 02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:39,519 without feeling like we're keeping them 3539 02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,880 for too long and being able to move on. 3540 02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:42,160 So, that worked out great. I don't know 3541 02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:43,519 what coordination you do behind the 3542 02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:45,120 scenes, Evelyn, with everyone to let 3543 02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:46,639 them know or ask them and all of that, 3544 02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,960 but thank you so much for putting that 3545 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:49,760 in. Uh, it's incredibly helpful. 3546 02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:51,840 >> That's a lot. 3547 02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:54,319 >> Yeah, I know. 3548 02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:56,640 I know. Um, okay, let's move on to the 3549 02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:58,560 meeting calendar. Um I think we have we 3550 02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:00,560 have a meeting on Friday uh close 3551 02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:02,720 session. Um the 10th will be our next 3552 02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:07,040 meeting. There's a close session before 3553 02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:08,319 that. Yeah. Okay. Um anything else for 3554 02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:10,800 the meeting calendar that we need to 3555 02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:13,120 know? 3556 02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:18,399 >> A 3557 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:20,080 will be at AEC. That's not a meeting. So 3558 02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:22,640 definitively not a meeting. Okay. I 3559 02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:24,720 think that's it. And then 3560 02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:27,040 yeah, and just um yeah, for the for 3561 02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:28,800 calendaring um it's the close session 3562 02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:32,800 starts at 5:45 3563 02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:36,080 >> on the 10th. Um so just make sure that 3564 02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:37,680 we're you're able to get here for that. 3565 02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:39,200 On to adjournment. 3566 02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,640 >> WFH on the calendar 3567 02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:41,840 >> that workforce housing. 3568 02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:44,240 >> Got it. Not work. 3569 02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:46,160 >> Not work from home. Yeah. 3570 02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:48,479 >> In person. 3571 02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:50,560 I like that one. Work from home. 3572 02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:55,680 >> Yeah. You you'll also see it sometimes 3573 02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:57,760 as EW for employee workforce housing. Um 3574 02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:58,800 >> all right. Uh 19 adjournment. Uh can I 3575 02:20:57,760 --> 02:20:59,760 get a motion to adjurnn? 3576 02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:00,720 >> I move we adjourn. 3577 02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:06,040 >> Is there a second? 3578 02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:06,040 >> All in favor? I I you're returned.